The Checkmate Question

[SallyF]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

[SallyF]

My inerrant Cloak of Prophecy tells me that no Christian will give a straight answer to the Checkmate Question …

They NEVER do....

This may be because you specialize in loaded questions which I personally don't answer. I will consider making an exception here if you can tell me ....have you stopped beating your wife yet? . No denials, no premises, no explanations, no "wriggling and biggling or jiggling" just a straight answer...yes or no!

NOTE I wouldn't say you ask "checkmate" questions which implies intelligent manoeuvre respecting established rules, so much as loaded questions ie "trick question", which presupposes an unverified assumption that the person being questioned is likely to disagree with.

JW

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

My Cloak of Prophecy was very correct here.

A simple demonstration that Jehovah is NOT as imaginary as any other god would have done just fine.


And I COULD take exception to your thrice-edited accusation that I am a wife-beating lesbian.

But then you would have succeeded in taking the spotlight off the awkwardly-squirming Genocidal Jehovah.

Please feel free to demonstrate that Jehovah specifically is NOT imaginary, or that it exists in any way outside human minds, or anything at all that keeps the focus on Jehovah by way of any sort of evidence whatsoever.

(Perhaps I AM a wife-beating lesbian, but lets keep the spotlight on the Genocidal Jehovah specifically, please )

[SallyF]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

Exactly what other gods are you talking about? Why don't you tell us about them, and we will compare them, as far as historical evidence goes?

What historical evidence can prove or disprove the existence of any God? At best, one can only prove that a given God had His devotees in any given period of history.

Okay …

But that didn't QUITE address the OP itself.

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

The Cloak of Prophecy was still correct here.

[Zzyzx]

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WHY BELIEVE IN ANY GOD AT ALL?

Because the physical universe constitutes convincing evidence there is indeed an intelligent Creator.

How is this different from:

"See this rock, I don't know how it got here, therefore my version of god must exist"?

The difference between that rock and the universe is a matter of scale.

[JehovahsWitness]

How is this different from:

"See this rock, I don't know how it got here, therefore my version of god must exist"?

I didnt say anything about a "version of god" and I'm uninterested in arguing with strawmen this morning.

The difference between that rock and the universe is a matter of scale.

If one is looking at a rock one can make some logical conclusions about how it got there.

If your point is that we can we come to some logical conclusions about realities we cannot see based on the physical measurable properties of what we can see then yes, the difference between looking at a rock and looking at the universe is just a matter of scale.

If you are saying that because we cannot answer every conceivable question about how the rock got there we must therefore reject logical inevitabilities based on what we do know to be true about the the physical reality we have at hand, then that is idiotic (and unscientific).




JW

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 8 by JehovahsWitness]

Because the physical universe constitutes convincing evidence there is indeed an intelligent Creator.

Not at all. It is only evidence that the universe exists, but in no way contributes to any reason or cause for its existence. People merely slot in God as an invented answer to a question for which there is currently no answer. Comforting for some, but so is a security blanket or sucking on your thumb.

[SallyF]

How is this different from:

"See this rock, I don't know how it got here, therefore my version of god must exist"?

I didnt say anything about a "version of god" and I'm uninterested in arguing with strawmen this morning.

The difference between that rock and the universe is a matter of scale.

If one is looking at a rock one can make some logical conclusions about how it got there.

If your point is that we can we come to some logical conclusions about realities we cannot see based on the physical measurable properties of what we can see then yes, the difference between looking at a rock and looking at the universe is just a matter of scale.

If you are saying that because we cannot answer every conceivable question about how the rock got there we must therefore reject logical inevitabilities based on what we do know to be true about the the physical reality we have at hand, then that is idiotic (and unscientific).




JW

Please feel free to address the OP directly.

The Cloak of Prophecy is getting itself into quite a flap here.


(BTW, my wife says thank you for your prayers for her speedy recovery )

[Tcg]

How is this different from:

"See this rock, I don't know how it got here, therefore my version of god must exist"?

I didnt say anything about a "version of god"...

The OP does. It includes this, "the biblical deity Jehovah." This is in fact the basis of the thread you are responding to.

Your online ID is "JehovahsWitness."

The religious organization you repeatedly claim to be a member of is called, "The Jehovah's Witnesses."

If you aren't arguing for the existence of Jehovah, please identify which god you are attempting to support.

<bolding added to accentuate the obvious>

Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 8 by JehovahsWitness]

Because the physical universe constitutes convincing evidence there is indeed an intelligent Creator.

Not at all. It is only evidence that the universe exists, but in no way contributes to any reason or cause for its existence. ...

The physical universe exists because certain laws are in place, so the existence of the universe is itself evidence of a "lawmaker" ie that which enabled those laws to exist. This xfactor is an intrinsic part if what one is acknowledging by accepting the physical realities of our universe. Whether one has the capacity (or the inclination) to think in such abstract terms or not does not negate this logical inevitability.




JW

[Realworldjack]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

Exactly what other gods are you talking about? Why don't you tell us about them, and we will compare them, as far as historical evidence goes?

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

My Cloak of Prophecy was correct here too.

I get it. You're really not interested in getting in the ring. Moreover, you have made a statement as if it were a fact, and now own the burden, which was,

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

So, exactly how did you determine that "any other god" would be "imaginary", and exactly how can you demonstrate this to be the case?

[1213]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

I don’t believe people could imagine Bible God. I think people are too evil and know so little to be able to imagine Bible God. Bible shows knowledge that I think people would not have had without God. For example, what happens in future, how earth got this current form… …also, if Bible would be just human imagination, atheists would understand what Bible is saying and they could show mistakes in it.