Redemption

[QuestingTheLetum]

Hello

I have just joined here and was curious on something, Can any one truly be redeemed if they have sined? I my self have done allot of things in my short life that I believe I will never be redeemed for the first was loosing faith in god long ago. I just wanted to know what you all thought can a sinner be redeemed truly clean there soul or will they always be tainted by there doings?

[McCulloch]

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[johnmarc]

From post 8

But to arrive at this conclusion would be to ignore one of the greatests aspects of Chirstianity and that is the God is a gracious God. This means that, even though we don't deserve it, God forgives our sins and gives us redemption. But how can God's justice be perfect then? Good question. God's justice means that our sin needs to be punnished. Praise be to God that Jesus offers us this escape. Jesus lived a perfect life and as a result acted in our place. He recieved the entire penalty for my sin, for your sin and for everyone's sin when he died on the cross. So through Jesus we are saved into redemption through God's justice and grace.

Let's see if I have this correct. If I run down to the convenience store and rob the place, shooting the clerk in the process, am I pre- forgiven or post-forgiven? If Jesus "received the entire penalty for my sin", there wouldn't be any penalty left for me. If all of this occurred two thousand years ago, it would seem to me that all of my sins would be pre-forgiven, leaving me free to do whatever I wanted.

So God doesn't just sweep our sin under the carpet. God can't stand our sin and he's not the kind of God to ignore the truth. Instead he deals with sin once and for all through Jesus. - For that he is worthy of all praise.

OK, I get it. I do the crime and Jesus gets punished for it. Kinda like a celestial whipping boy? I like this religion. Sign me up.

[johnmarc]

Hello everyone, can someone give me a reason why i should believe in 'god' anymore than i should believe in Santa clause or the easter bunny? I mean i'm not saying he's not real im just saying that if he is he's a :censored: .

Hello, Zuckie,

Don't know what your censored word (or words) were, but it wasn't too awfully long ago that I might have come to this forum and said precisely the same thing. (with precisely the same result) Why don't you start a new thread with the same message (minus whatever the ending was) and I suppose that you will get several answers to that. I will certainly throw my two cents in as I was once solidly in your place and now am in another place altogether.

[De Maria]

Hello

I have just joined here and was curious on something, Can any one truly be redeemed if they have sined?

If they repent and ask forgiveness, yes.
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I my self have done allot of things in my short life that I believe I will never be redeemed for the first was loosing faith in god long ago. I just wanted to know what you all thought can a sinner be redeemed truly clean there soul or will they always be tainted by there doings?

To please God, you must have faith in Him:
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

If you have faith in Him, then you will believe Him and keep His Commandments:
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

And he shall be saved:

Ezekiel 18:27
Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[De Maria]

Hello everyone, can someone give me a reason why i should believe in 'god' anymore than i should believe in Santa clause or the easter bunny? I mean i'm not saying he's not real im just saying that if he is he's a :censored: .

That depends on what you mean by "believe in god".

If you want proof of God's existence simply out of curiousity, even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19). So what good does it do to believe that God exists if you won't amend your life?
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

However, if you want to believe in God in order to avoid the pains of hell, then that is the reason you should believe in God.

By the way, Santa Claus is short for St. Nicholas who was the Bishop of Myra in the fourth century:
http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=40

The Easter Bunny is just a character in a folk tale.

I hope that helps.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[johnmarc]

Hi, DeMaria, good to hear from you again.

To please God, you must have faith in Him:
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

If you have faith in Him, then you will believe Him and keep His Commandments:
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

And he shall be saved:

Ezekiel 18:27
Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

I am getting dizzy. It seems like every time I turn a page of the Bible, God has something different to say. I can't keep track. I don't want God to be contradictory, so I am going to simplify things and go with the following:

Jeremiah 22:15,16

"Did not your father eat and drink and do justice and righteousness? Then it was well with him. He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well. Is not this to know me?" says the Lord.

[Kuan]

Guess ill be playing devils advocate for the first part of this post....

Can you prove sin exists at all? (The usual non-theist question that is produced.)

Now to the theology, the redemtion process seems very complicated to many. Yet it is very simple. Confess and forsake. I think many will agree, maybe even a few non-theists. When you do wrong, take responsibility then dont do it anymore.

[Goat]

Guess ill be playing devils advocate for the first part of this post....

Can you prove sin exists at all? (The usual non-theist question that is produced.)

Now to the theology, the redemtion process seems very complicated to many. Yet it is very simple. Confess and forsake. I think many will agree, maybe even a few non-theists. When you do wrong, take responsibility then dont do it anymore.

Before someone says 'Can you prove sin exists at all' , I would think the first thing to do is 'define sin'. It seems to me that different people have different conceptions about what 'sin' is.

In the Jewish faith (which does not obsess at much about Sin as Christianity), sin is literally 'missing the mark' (not hitting the target where you are aiming).. in other words, not doing as well as you can. In this particularly definition, since it does not invoke the supernatural, and the 'will of God' can be shown to exist, since people often do not do the best they can, and 'miss the mark' so to speak.

Now, if you add 'going against the will of god', or things like that.. well, you have to prove that there is a 'will of god', and what that will actually is.

[Adstar]

Hello

I have just joined here and was curious on something, Can any one truly be redeemed if they have sined? I my self have done allot of things in my short life that I believe I will never be redeemed for the first was loosing faith in god long ago. I just wanted to know what you all thought can a sinner be redeemed truly clean there soul or will they always be tainted by there doings?

No human being can clean their soul. But God offers people who want to have their soul transformed into a good state a transformation by His power upon the resurrection.

No human can be without sin in this life. But each human has the free will to Hate sin or to Love sin. To agree with God's will or to rebel against Gods will. To accept Gods forgiveness, through the Messiah Jesus, or to Reject Gods forgiveness through the Messiah Jesus.

So human beings will be tainted all their lives by the things they have done in their lives but after the resurrection those who believed and trusted in the Atonement of the Messiah Jesus will have their taint removed.

If you believe that you can never be forgiven for your sins then you are showing a lack of belief in the Atonement of the Messiah Jesus.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Adstar]

Hello

I have just joined here and was curious on something, Can any one truly be redeemed if they have sined? I my self have done allot of things in my short life that I believe I will never be redeemed for the first was loosing faith in god long ago. I just wanted to know what you all thought can a sinner be redeemed truly clean there soul or will they always be tainted by there doings?

In Christianity, everyone is redeemable. It's about genuine change of heart. Period.
And I would imiagine that many secular worldviews would think the same way.

I'm of the opinion that everyone deserves a second chance, from a secular point of view.

From a christian-god-included point of view, I can't imagine that a god that is supposedly all knowing and loves us would condemn someone if it can see that there is true regret and change inside of that person.

So in your eyes there is no unforgivable sins? I have heard allot of unforgivable sins such as suicide. So the question is if god forgives all sins then no "sin" is truly beyond redemption?

There is only one unforgivable sin revealed in the Bible and it is not suicide.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days