How old is the creation?

[Daddieslittlehelper]

So we know from Genesis that god made the earth and the hevens in 7 days.

Yet there are no days as we know them now, because for the first days there was no sun and moon.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.� And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So days as we know them now only started on the fifth day.

Another point.

The age of adam and eve. I would argue that they start aging from when they eat the apple.

Therefore there is an undisclosed time period, before they ate the apple.

So Adam lived Gen 5.5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

3.3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’�

930 years from eating the apple.

Any thoughts?

[myth-one.com]

So we know from Genesis that god made the earth and the heavens in 7 days.

Yet there are no days as we know them now, because for the first days there was no sun and moon.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.� And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So days as we know them now only started on the fifth day.

Another point.

The age of adam and eve. I would argue that they start aging from when they eat the apple.

Therefore there is an undisclosed time period, before they ate the apple.

So Adam lived Gen 5.5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

3.3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’�

930 years from eating the apple.

Any thoughts?

First of all, verse one defines a complete creation! In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. This marks the end of the original creation! Many believe this first verse of Genesis to be a general statement that God created the heaven and earth in the beginning and the following verses describe this same creation in more detail. However, verse two differentiates the original creation in verse one from the recreation begun in verse three. Verse two describes the earth as without form, void, and dark after it was created in verse one. On the other hand, every single item created by God beginning in verse three was seen to be "good" after being created. Likewise, beginning in verse three, God created dry ground and vegetation so the earth was not without form and void. He also created light so the earth was not dark as stated in verse two. Consequently, verse two only describes the creation defined in verse one as everything created after verse two was seen to be good by God. Good is not the same as without form, void, and dark. So verse one definitely describes a separate creation process from that begun in verse three.

We do not know exactly when "In the beginning" was. Whenever it was, God completely created the heaven and the earth originally at that time according to verse one! After that original creation, the earth was without form, void, and dark. Why would God create the earth without form, void, and dark in the beginning? Is it to prove that anyone can make a mistake? Of course not, to err is human, whereas God is all powerful. Everything created in the following verses of Genesis chapter one was seen to be "good" by God:








And God saw the light, that it was good. (Genesis 1:4)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:10)
(referring to dry ground)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:12)
(referring to vegetation)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:18)
(referring to night and day)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:21)
(referring to sea and air creatures)

...and God saw that it was good... (Genesis 1:25)
(referring to land creatures)

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

There is absolutely no reason to believe that God ever made anything that was not originally created as good! Then why does verse two state that the earth was without form, void, and dark after being created in verse one? Other translations of the original Hebrew text indicate that something occurred and the earth had reached this state. For example, the New International Version® of the Bible renders the same verses as follows:







In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty; darkness was over the surface of the deep... (Genesis 1:1-2)

That is, God originally created the heavens and the earth good in verse one, and over a period of time the earth had become formless, void, and dark. Between verse one and verse two a period of time obviously occurred. Based on current scientific estimates, the time period between verse one and two was approximately 4.55 billion years. This is the current estimated age of the earth. Yes, dinosaurs did roam the earth sixty-five million years ago! The following "creation" described in detail in Genesis is actually a recreation of a decimated earth originally created in verse one. It is this recreation that can be traced back to approximately 6,000 years ago. This idea that the creation described in detail in Genesis is actually a recreation of a decimated earth is supported by other scripture verses:







Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they (mankind) are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30)
So in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth as good. Now the earth had become without form, void, and dark. Notice that only the earth had become without form, void, and dark. The "heaven" remained in good condition as it was created.






Actually, the Bible does not say how long it took God to make the heavens and the earth:

[onewithhim]

So we know from Genesis that god made the earth and the hevens in 7 days.

Yet there are no days as we know them now, because for the first days there was no sun and moon.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.� And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So days as we know them now only started on the fifth day.

Another point.

The age of adam and eve. I would argue that they start aging from when they eat the apple.

Therefore there is an undisclosed time period, before they ate the apple.

So Adam lived Gen 5.5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

3.3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’�

930 years from eating the apple.

Any thoughts?

The seven days of Genesis are not 24-hour days. A "day" is an unspecified period of time, possibly billions of years long. We can see this, for example, at Genesis 2:4. If you read that you'll see what I mean.

And you have a good point about Adam dying in a "day" of 930 years, or just before a "day" (1,000 years) to God.

[McCulloch]

So we know from Genesis that god made the earth and the hevens in 7 days.

Actually, 6 days. God rested on the seventh.

Yet there are no days as we know them now, because for the first days there was no sun and moon.

God created day and night before sun and moon. Sun and moon were created to rule over already established pattern of day and night, evening and morning.

The age of adam and eve. I would argue that they start aging from when they eat the apple.

Therefore there is an undisclosed time period, before they ate the apple.

So Adam lived Gen 5.5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

You are reading into this what is not there. It does not say, Adam lived an undisclosed period of time, then 930 years, then he died, does it? No, it does not. Would you claim that Adam was not alive before eating the fruit.

By the way, the writer of Genesis does not specify what fruit it was. Some scholars speculate a fig rather than an apple.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 12 by McCulloch]

Some good reasoning can be found on the website www.jw.org

[Yahu]

Therefore there is an undisclosed time period, before they ate the apple.

Any thoughts?

That time period may be undisclosed but CAN NOT have been very long. Adam and Adamah (before she was named Eve) were commanded to be fruitful and multiply. So how many newly weds with a direct command from Yah to have children would have much time before the birth of their 1st child? Therefore it couldn't have been as much as a year IMO after Adamah was taken from Adam's rib.

So even if Adam didn't age before eating of the tree of knowledge, the amount of time passage would be insignificant. It could have been as little as a few days, at most less then a year.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by Daddieslittlehelper]

God made the heavens and the earth (Gen.1:1). So the sun and moon were created when the planets were created. Later when God said, "Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens," what must've been going on there was that the sun and moon finally could be SEEN from the earth (if there had been anyone there); the mists and clouds that hid the luminaries would have been thinned out or removed.

The time period between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 is not given. It could've been billions of years. Science says the earth is 5 billion years old. The Bible does not contradict that.

It can be said with confidence also that the creative "days" involving things on the earth were NOT 24-hrs long. Each creative day could have been millions of years. They were of undetermined length. Otherwise, Genesis 2:4 would be contradicting everything in the first chapter, wouldn't you say?

This is the plain truth, without any assumptions or twisting going on.

[onewithhim]

3.3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’�

930 years from eating the apple.

Any thoughts?

My Bible states the following:

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It has God proclaiming that they will die "in the day they eat the fruit". So if the story has Adam living for 930 years afterward there are obviously problems with the scriptures. Either God doesn't know what he's talking about, or he changed his mind, or the scriptures are filled with significant errors, or the doctrine was never anything more than poorly made-up superstitious fantasy.

After years of studying the whole canon of tales and seeing these kinds of errors and self-contradictions repeatedly throughout the whole canon, I'm inclined to believe that the conclusion that they are nothing more than poorly made up superstitious fantasy is the most rational conclusion.

One has to be familiar with ALL of the Bible. You apparently are not, even though you say you've read it. There are places that say that to God, a day is like a thousand years, and vice versa. (2 Peter 3:8) Adam died within a "day" to God.

[Yahu]

My Bible states the following:

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It has God proclaiming that they will die "in the day they eat the fruit". So if the story has Adam living for 930 years afterward there are obviously problems with the scriptures. Either God doesn't know what he's talking about, or he changed his mind, or the scriptures are filled with significant errors, or the doctrine was never anything more than poorly made-up superstitious fantasy.

Not necessarily. Adam was created immortal. The very day he ate of the tree he lost that immortality and the death process started. He may have taken 930 years to die but the aging process started as soon as he lost his immortality.

It could be seen as instant death of his immortal nature. It can also be seen as a spiritual death that separated him from Yah. So there are multiple ways it can be seen as death in the actual day. You are exclusively looking at it as a reference to death of the physical body.

[Yahu]

One has to be familiar with ALL of the Bible. You apparently are not, even though you say you've read it. There are places that say that to God, a day is like a thousand years, and vice versa. (2 Peter 3:8) Adam died within a "day" to God.

This is also true but has other ramifications as well. If a 'day' is 1000 years, the work week is the first 6000 years then a day of 1000 rest. We know that Yeshua references the millennial kingdom as a rest.

We also have the passage in Genesis of the period of time given to man.

Ge 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Now the Hebrew term translated as years is actually 'period of time'. One of the time periods that is defined is a Jubilee, a 50 year period. So the 'days of man' could be seen as 120 (50 year Jubilees), ie 6000 years then comes the 1000 years to complete the first week of creation.

[onewithhim]

One has to be familiar with ALL of the Bible. You apparently are not, even though you say you've read it. There are places that say that to God, a day is like a thousand years, and vice versa. (2 Peter 3:8) Adam died within a "day" to God.

This is also true but has other ramifications as well. If a 'day' is 1000 years, the work week is the first 6000 years then a day of 1000 rest. We know that Yeshua references the millennial kingdom as a rest.

We also have the passage in Genesis of the period of time given to man.

Ge 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Now the Hebrew term translated as years is actually 'period of time'. One of the time periods that is defined is a Jubilee, a 50 year period. So the 'days of man' could be seen as 120 (50 year Jubilees), ie 6000 years then comes the 1000 years to complete the first week of creation.

The hundred and twenty years does not refer to the life-span of a human being. It refers to how many years were left before the Great Flood would occur.

Did you notice that Noah himself lived for a total of 950 years?