How old is the creation?

[Daddieslittlehelper]

So we know from Genesis that god made the earth and the hevens in 7 days.

Yet there are no days as we know them now, because for the first days there was no sun and moon.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.� And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So days as we know them now only started on the fifth day.

Another point.

The age of adam and eve. I would argue that they start aging from when they eat the apple.

Therefore there is an undisclosed time period, before they ate the apple.

So Adam lived Gen 5.5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

3.3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’�

930 years from eating the apple.

Any thoughts?

[Yahu]

One has to be familiar with ALL of the Bible. You apparently are not, even though you say you've read it. There are places that say that to God, a day is like a thousand years, and vice versa. (2 Peter 3:8) Adam died within a "day" to God.

This is also true but has other ramifications as well. If a 'day' is 1000 years, the work week is the first 6000 years then a day of 1000 rest. We know that Yeshua references the millennial kingdom as a rest.

We also have the passage in Genesis of the period of time given to man.

Ge 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Now the Hebrew term translated as years is actually 'period of time'. One of the time periods that is defined is a Jubilee, a 50 year period. So the 'days of man' could be seen as 120 (50 year Jubilees), ie 6000 years then comes the 1000 years to complete the first week of creation.

The hundred and twenty years does not refer to the life-span of a human being. It refers to how many years were left before the Great Flood would occur.

Did you notice that Noah himself lived for a total of 950 years?

I didn't say it was the life-span of a human being. I said it was the 'age of man' ruling over the earth, ie 6000 years then Yeshua takes over direct rulership.

And yes I am aware of peoples ages both before and after the flood.

[Yahu]

So we know from Genesis that god made the earth and the hevens in 7 days.

Yet there are no days as we know them now, because for the first days there was no sun and moon.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.� And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So days as we know them now only started on the fifth day.

Another point.

The age of adam and eve. I would argue that they start aging from when they eat the apple.

Therefore there is an undisclosed time period, before they ate the apple.

So Adam lived Gen 5.5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

3.3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’�

930 years from eating the apple.

Any thoughts?

The sun and moon are used to mark time. That doesn't mean the time table for a 'day' did not already exist from the instant space/time was created.

Was a day or year the same time period it is today? We don't know. Who is to say that the current orbit of the earth was the same as it was in the past. Several times in recorded history calendars had to be reworked because the orbit had altered.

IMO creation was in 7 time periods of days, not millions or billions of years. It has to be taken on faith even if the enemy tries to though up all kinds of false evidence against that fact.

So the question is, do you trust the limited knowledge and understanding of man (which is equated as foolishness to Yah) or the word of our creator?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 21 by Yahu]

I'll take the word of our Creator, and there is no real indication in the Scriptures that a "day" in Genesis is a 24-hour period. A "day" is basically an undetermined period of time. If a "day" was always a 24-hour period, then Genesis 2:4 would be contradicting the previous first chapter, wouldn't it?