. . . given power to tempt man, thus leading man into sin and eventually causing him to go to hell?
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Couldn't god have done it without Satan's help?
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You've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pmYes, ...so?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
JehovahsWitness said that Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God, to have been commissioned to tempt Adam and Eve. Satan decided to do it all by himself, and he didn't even need power to fool Eve. She accepted what he said on her own power.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:53 pmYou've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pmYes, ...so?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?
Then who allows Satan to temp Job?onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:21 amJehovahsWitness said that Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God, to have been commissioned to tempt Adam and Eve. Satan decided to do it all by himself, and he didn't even need power to fool Eve. She accepted what he said on her own power.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:53 pmYou've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pmYes, ...so?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?
It is clear that Jehovah allowed Satan to tempt Job. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 1:35 amThen who allows Satan to temp Job?onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:21 amJehovahsWitness said that Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God, to have been commissioned to tempt Adam and Eve. Satan decided to do it all by himself, and he didn't even need power to fool Eve. She accepted what he said on her own power.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:53 pmYou've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pmYes, ...so?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?
Job 1:9 But in response, Satan asked the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
Job 1:10 Haven't you surrounded him with a fence on all sides, around his house, and around all that he owns? You have blessed everything he puts his hands on and you have increased his livestock in the land.
Job 1:11 However, stretch out your hand and strike everything he owns, and he will curse you to your face."
Job 1:12 Then the LORD told Satan, "Very well then, everything he owns is under your control, only you may not extend your hand against him." So Satan left the LORD's presence.
You've said,"Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God",onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:57 pmIt is clear that Jehovah allowed Satan to tempt Job. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2024 1:35 amThen who allows Satan to temp Job?onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:21 amJehovahsWitness said that Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God, to have been commissioned to tempt Adam and Eve. Satan decided to do it all by himself, and he didn't even need power to fool Eve. She accepted what he said on her own power.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:53 pmYou've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pmYes, ...so?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?
Job 1:9 But in response, Satan asked the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
Job 1:10 Haven't you surrounded him with a fence on all sides, around his house, and around all that he owns? You have blessed everything he puts his hands on and you have increased his livestock in the land.
Job 1:11 However, stretch out your hand and strike everything he owns, and he will curse you to your face."
Job 1:12 Then the LORD told Satan, "Very well then, everything he owns is under your control, only you may not extend your hand against him." So Satan left the LORD's presence.
God didn't give Satan a job, Satan came up with that idea all by himself. God however allowed or permitted to do what he (Satan) wanted to do. God does not used collaborate with Satan, they do not work together in harmony, because Jehovah and Satan do not have a shared goal or purpose. They are not friends or coworkers. (See Gen 3: 15)Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:02 amYou've said,"Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God",onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:57 pm
It is clear that Jehovah allowed Satan to tempt Job. What is your point?
Did God give Satan particular job to temp Job?
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How do you understand this verse? Who destroy Job?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:16 amGod didn't give Satan a job, Satan came up with that idea all by himself. God however allowed or permitted to do what he (Satan) wanted to do. God does not used collaborate with Satan, they do not work together in harmony, because Jehovah and Satan do not have a shared goal or purpose. They are not friends or coworkers. (See Gen 3: 15)Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:02 amYou've said,"Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God",onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:57 pm
It is clear that Jehovah allowed Satan to tempt Job. What is your point?
Did God give Satan particular job to temp Job?
The verse is clear enough, Satan was trying to incite YHWH Jehovah destroy Job . God did not destroy Job as Satan wanted (see Job 42:11)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:57 am Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV
Who is "me" there?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:12 amThe verse is clear enough, Satan was trying to incite YHWH Jehovah destroy Job . God did not destroy Job as Satan wanted (see Job 42:11)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:57 am Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV
Already answered (see above)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:32 amWho is "me" there?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:12 amThe verse is clear enough, Satan was trying to incite YHWH Jehovah destroy Job . God did not destroy Job as Satan wanted (see Job 42:11)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:57 am Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV