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. . . given power to tempt man, thus leading man into sin and eventually causing him to go to hell?


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Couldn't god have done it without Satan's help?



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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Yes, ...so?
You've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?

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Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:53 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Yes, ...so?
You've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?
JehovahsWitness said that Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God, to have been commissioned to tempt Adam and Eve. Satan decided to do it all by himself, and he didn't even need power to fool Eve. She accepted what he said on her own power.

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Re: Why Was Satan . . .

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:21 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:53 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Yes, ...so?
You've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?
JehovahsWitness said that Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God, to have been commissioned to tempt Adam and Eve. Satan decided to do it all by himself, and he didn't even need power to fool Eve. She accepted what he said on her own power.
Then who allows Satan to temp Job?

Job 1:9 But in response, Satan asked the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
Job 1:10 Haven't you surrounded him with a fence on all sides, around his house, and around all that he owns? You have blessed everything he puts his hands on and you have increased his livestock in the land.
Job 1:11 However, stretch out your hand and strike everything he owns, and he will curse you to your face."
Job 1:12 Then the LORD told Satan, "Very well then, everything he owns is under your control, only you may not extend your hand against him." So Satan left the LORD's presence.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 1:35 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:21 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:53 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Yes, ...so?
You've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?
JehovahsWitness said that Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God, to have been commissioned to tempt Adam and Eve. Satan decided to do it all by himself, and he didn't even need power to fool Eve. She accepted what he said on her own power.
Then who allows Satan to temp Job?

Job 1:9 But in response, Satan asked the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
Job 1:10 Haven't you surrounded him with a fence on all sides, around his house, and around all that he owns? You have blessed everything he puts his hands on and you have increased his livestock in the land.
Job 1:11 However, stretch out your hand and strike everything he owns, and he will curse you to your face."
Job 1:12 Then the LORD told Satan, "Very well then, everything he owns is under your control, only you may not extend your hand against him." So Satan left the LORD's presence.
It is clear that Jehovah allowed Satan to tempt Job. What is your point?

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:57 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 1:35 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:21 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:53 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 pm...you agree that Satan has the power to temp.
But this is your post;
"Satan wasn't "given power to temps man" as in, comissioned by God to temps humans, Satan made that decision himself. God simply didn't kill him (Satan) once he (Satan) had gone ahead and acted on his decision."
Yes, ...so?
You've said Satan wasn't given power to temps man.
Then why you agree that he has the power to temps man?
JehovahsWitness said that Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God, to have been commissioned to tempt Adam and Eve. Satan decided to do it all by himself, and he didn't even need power to fool Eve. She accepted what he said on her own power.
Then who allows Satan to temp Job?

Job 1:9 But in response, Satan asked the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
Job 1:10 Haven't you surrounded him with a fence on all sides, around his house, and around all that he owns? You have blessed everything he puts his hands on and you have increased his livestock in the land.
Job 1:11 However, stretch out your hand and strike everything he owns, and he will curse you to your face."
Job 1:12 Then the LORD told Satan, "Very well then, everything he owns is under your control, only you may not extend your hand against him." So Satan left the LORD's presence.
It is clear that Jehovah allowed Satan to tempt Job. What is your point?
You've said,"Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God",
Did God give Satan particular job to temp Job?

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Re: Why Was Satan . . .

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:02 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:57 pm
It is clear that Jehovah allowed Satan to tempt Job. What is your point?
You've said,"Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God",
Did God give Satan particular job to temp Job?
God didn't give Satan a job, Satan came up with that idea all by himself. God however allowed or permitted to do what he (Satan) wanted to do. God does not used collaborate with Satan, they do not work together in harmony, because Jehovah and Satan do not have a shared goal or purpose. They are not friends or coworkers. (See Gen 3: 15)




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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:16 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:02 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 5:57 pm
It is clear that Jehovah allowed Satan to tempt Job. What is your point?
You've said,"Satan was not given power as to do a particular job for God",
Did God give Satan particular job to temp Job?
God didn't give Satan a job, Satan came up with that idea all by himself. God however allowed or permitted to do what he (Satan) wanted to do. God does not used collaborate with Satan, they do not work together in harmony, because Jehovah and Satan do not have a shared goal or purpose. They are not friends or coworkers. (See Gen 3: 15)
How do you understand this verse? Who destroy Job?

Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
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Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:57 am Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV
The verse is clear enough, Satan was trying to incite YHWH Jehovah destroy Job . God did not destroy Job as Satan wanted (see Job 42:11)

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:12 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:57 am Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
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Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV

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Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:32 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:12 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:57 am Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV
The verse is clear enough, Satan was trying to incite YHWH Jehovah destroy Job . God did not destroy Job as Satan wanted (see Job 42:11)
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