The Gospel of Jesus vs the Gospel of Jehovah

[Johan]

Depending on who you "think" the Living God is you have a "Gospel" from Him. And it is a huge problem to many.

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So who is He? Jesus or Jehovah/Yahweh? There can not be 2 Gods. One is a liar. So let us see what Jesus says about "His Gospel". And let us see what Jehovah says about "His Gospel".

A "contest" between the "2 Gods"? Sure. The Living God does not fear it. In fact He Loves it.

Let the Fire Fall! Because the Real God answers in "Fire" and is not scared to be "challenged". In Fact the "challenge belongs to Him. Because the Victory too.

1 Kings 18: 21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.*n5
22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the Lord; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.*n6
25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.*n7*n8*n9
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.*n10*n11*n12
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.*n13
29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.*n14*n15

30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me.

So what is the Gospel of Jesus? And what is the Gospel of Jehovah?

[Johan]

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

Sorry, I don't think God and Jesus are the same.

Why?

Because:

How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

So, what you’re saying is obviously your own opinion on those biblical passages you posted on this forum chat board, do I get you right? You didn’t hear anything yet from the Lord Jesus Christ, did you?

You agreed to the "Gospel of Jesus' as is taught by the denominations and organizations in Christianity as I gave in the pic, Brother?

[Johan]

Whoever heard from God the name Jehova, anybody?

You never saw it in the Bible in the OT, Brother? Where some say Yahweh and some Yahuah. And some Jehovah. The Name He gave to Moses and which He used of Himself right through the OT.

[Johan]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

Yep, Brother. That is God's Gospel. Or the Gospel of Jehovah. The Real Gospel. So what is the difference between the Gospel of the Living God, Jehovah, and the "Gospel of Jesus"?...

I don't think there is a difference, because Jesus said what God had commanded him to speak.

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

The point is Brother that you agree with the summary I gave concerning the "Gospel of Jesus" as it is given by the denominations and organizations. You agree that they indeed bring the "gospel" as the pic is saying. And you also have nothing against it meaning it is a summary of your "gospel" too.

Did I agree?

You are welcome to show us where you "disagreed", Brother. I would love to have that link. Because I am sure I just read right over it and never saw it.

[Johan]

Yes, the picture portrayed Jesus as knocking, and He had to be opened by believing Jesus' sacrifice in faith Brother Johan.

Ok, Brother. After completely accepting the pic as a good summary of the "Gospel of Jesus" which the denominations and organizations spread everywhere you can now Edify us more on what Jesus is actually saving us from?

If we open our hearts to Jesus by faith, He will saves us from perishing or eternal death the second death.
That is eternal life vs eternal death, destiny to the saved (righteous) and the lost (wicked), our choice matters.

Seems you are saying that the "hell" Jesus is going to enter us in is a "second death", Brother So what is this "hell" Jesus is going to enter everyone into who does not believe in him? What is a "second death" which is so "scary" about the "hell of Jesus" he is threatening us with? To punish us for not believing in him?

The word "hell" bear Strong#G1067, in Greek "γέεννα geenna" defined by Greek-English Lexicon based on Semantic Domain as - a 'place of punishment' or 'place where the dead suffer' or 'place where the dead suffer because of their sins. Those are stated in Revelation 22:15 and Revelation 21:8, the second death.

While those faithful Christians will be blessed that they will have the right to the tree of life. (Rev 22:14)

Mark 9:47  “And R1ifG1437 your eyeG3788 is causingG4624 you toG4624 sinG4624, throwG1544b it awayG1544b; it is betterG2570 for you to enterG1525 the kingdomG932 of GodG2316 with oneG3442 eyeG3442, thanG2228, havingG2192 twoG1417 eyesG3788, to be thrownG1544b into N1 R2hellG1067, 

G1067 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament)
γέεννα geenna
is rendered as 'place of punishment' or 'place where the dead suffer' or 'place where the dead suffer because of their sins.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

Rev 22:14  Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. 
Rev 22:15  Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. 
Rev 21:8  "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." 

That is agreeing that Jesus will punish all who didn't work hard in building his temples which He desires for His worship and pay his prophets which is the "slave masters" to build it, Brother? And it is agreeing that it is a threat to motivate all to work very very hard for him as his slaves. In making followers, studying his Bible, praying to him, fasting, tithing for him etc. etc.

[OneJack]

I don't think there is a difference, because Jesus said what God had commanded him to speak.

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

The point is Brother that you agree with the summary I gave concerning the "Gospel of Jesus" as it is given by the denominations and organizations. You agree that they indeed bring the "gospel" as the pic is saying. And you also have nothing against it meaning it is a summary of your "gospel" too.

Did I agree?

You are welcome to show us where you "disagreed", Brother. I would love to have that link. Because I am sure I just read right over it and never saw it.

If you did not hear that gospel you claimed was from Jesus, there is nothing for me to agree or disagree with. For me, only Jesus matters the most of all and for all because He is the Savior of our souls from the fire and boiling water of the planet hell, which will be in place in due time.

[1213]

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

Sorry, I don't think God and Jesus are the same.

Why?

Because:

How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

...You didn’t hear anything yet from the Lord Jesus Christ, did you?

Are those words not from Jesus? Do they actually mean something else than what is written? Why should I believe so?

[OneJack]

Sorry, I don't think God and Jesus are the same.

Why?

Because:

How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

...You didn’t hear anything yet from the Lord Jesus Christ, did you?

Are those words not from Jesus?

If those words are from Jesus, the same will surely tell you He (Jesus) is the Almighty God. Since you think that Jesus and God are two distinct entities, I’m sure those words are not from Jesus.

Do they actually mean something else than what is written? Why should I believe so?

What I know is that those words led you astray in knowing Jesus and God. One sure thing too is that those words are not Jesus.

[Capbook]

Ok, Brother. After completely accepting the pic as a good summary of the "Gospel of Jesus" which the denominations and organizations spread everywhere you can now Edify us more on what Jesus is actually saving us from?

If we open our hearts to Jesus by faith, He will saves us from perishing or eternal death the second death.
That is eternal life vs eternal death, destiny to the saved (righteous) and the lost (wicked), our choice matters.

Seems you are saying that the "hell" Jesus is going to enter us in is a "second death", Brother So what is this "hell" Jesus is going to enter everyone into who does not believe in him? What is a "second death" which is so "scary" about the "hell of Jesus" he is threatening us with? To punish us for not believing in him?

The word "hell" bear Strong#G1067, in Greek "γέεννα geenna" defined by Greek-English Lexicon based on Semantic Domain as - a 'place of punishment' or 'place where the dead suffer' or 'place where the dead suffer because of their sins. Those are stated in Revelation 22:15 and Revelation 21:8, the second death.

While those faithful Christians will be blessed that they will have the right to the tree of life. (Rev 22:14)

Mark 9:47  “And R1ifG1437 your eyeG3788 is causingG4624 you toG4624 sinG4624, throwG1544b it awayG1544b; it is betterG2570 for you to enterG1525 the kingdomG932 of GodG2316 with oneG3442 eyeG3442, thanG2228, havingG2192 twoG1417 eyesG3788, to be thrownG1544b into N1 R2hellG1067, 

G1067 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament)
γέεννα geenna
is rendered as 'place of punishment' or 'place where the dead suffer' or 'place where the dead suffer because of their sins.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

Rev 22:14  Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. 
Rev 22:15  Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. 
Rev 21:8  "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." 

That is agreeing that Jesus will punish all who didn't work hard in building his temples which He desires for His worship and pay his prophets which is the "slave masters" to build it, Brother? And it is agreeing that it is a threat to motivate all to work very very hard for him as his slaves. In making followers, studying his Bible, praying to him, fasting, tithing for him etc. etc.

I am not sure what you mean by "slave masters," is it a Bible term or just yours?

[Johan]

You’re right, how could there be a difference when the Almighty God and Jesus [not the physical body of the Son born of Mary] is the same because Jesus per se is the name of the Almighty God. The Son of God was the vessel (John 14:10-11) of Jesus in coming in the flesh.

The point is Brother that you agree with the summary I gave concerning the "Gospel of Jesus" as it is given by the denominations and organizations. You agree that they indeed bring the "gospel" as the pic is saying. And you also have nothing against it meaning it is a summary of your "gospel" too.

Did I agree?

You are welcome to show us where you "disagreed", Brother. I would love to have that link. Because I am sure I just read right over it and never saw it.

If you did not hear that gospel you claimed was from Jesus, there is nothing for me to agree or disagree with. For me, only Jesus matters the most of all and for all because He is the Savior of our souls from the fire and boiling water of the planet hell, which will be in place in due time.

That is admitting you never disagreed with the summary I gave in the picture about the "Gospel of Jesus" as is given by the denominations and organizations, Brother. And seems it is your gospel too. Jesus is saving us from His Hell when we work hard for him in building his churches where he enjoys being worshiped. And make followers for him to have more who worship him. And study his word and praying to him and pay his prophets to be wealthy in Mammon. All because we fear of his hell in heaven if we don't do it.

[OneJack]

The point is Brother that you agree with the summary I gave concerning the "Gospel of Jesus" as it is given by the denominations and organizations. You agree that they indeed bring the "gospel" as the pic is saying. And you also have nothing against it meaning it is a summary of your "gospel" too.

Did I agree?

You are welcome to show us where you "disagreed", Brother. I would love to have that link. Because I am sure I just read right over it and never saw it.

If you did not hear that gospel you claimed was from Jesus, there is nothing for me to agree or disagree with. For me, only Jesus matters the most of all and for all because He is the Savior of our souls from the fire and boiling water of the planet hell, which will be in place in due time.

That is admitting you never disagreed with the summary I gave in the picture about the "Gospel of Jesus" as is given by the denominations and organizations, Brother. And seems it is your gospel too. Jesus is saving us from His Hell when we work hard for him in building his churches where he enjoys being worshiped. And make followers for him to have more who worship him. And study his word and praying to him and pay his prophets to be wealthy in Mammon. All because we fear of his hell in heaven if we don't do it.

This is an excerpt from the gospel of the Lord Jesus that we heard and learned from Him,

Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ:

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.”