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In The Beginning Was The Word
Before the beginning of time, before there was language - both of which God created - God exists. Please note well the correct use of the word "exists", which is a present-tense verb because God has no beginning, nor any end.
Psalm 90:2 BEFORE the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.
God is the self-existing ONE (Exod. 3:14; Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29), NOT a "trinity". One actually means one; it does NOT mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one. There is only ONE Almighty God, Who is The Most High (Psalm 57:2; Luke 1:32-35; Sura 2:255), i.e. greater than ALL (John 10:29), including Christ (John 14:28).
Before God created anyone or anything, God exists. Before time began there would have been no need for the Word (communication) in any form, as there was no one else with which to communicate.
In the Beginning
John 1:1-2 KJV
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
The first creation of God was His Firstborn/Eldest Son Michael (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), known here on Earth by His TITLE: Christ.
Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 GIVING THANKS UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the FIRSTBORN of every CREATURE*:
*Note Well: By Definition -
IMAGE = LIKENESS. The Hebrew name "Micha-El" literally means "Who is LIKE God?". Like Michael, we (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) were made in God's IMAGE/LIKENESS, but we certainly are NOT God the Father, and neither is anyone else, including Christ (Matt. 23:9; Sura 33:40).
INVISIBLE = NOT VISIBLE. No one has ever seen God (John 1:18; John 5:37), but thousands upon thousands saw Jesus, the human son of the virgin Mary, into whom Prince Michael/Christ was incarnated.
FIRSTBORN = THE FIRST CREATED/THE FIRST TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.
CREATURE = SOME LIVING THING THAT WAS CREATED.
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Prince Michael/Christ - Rev. 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;
The moment that God created Michael, God became known as Father (Matt. 6:9), and Michael became His Son (yes, a true Father-Son relationship - 1 John 2:22). And it was in that moment when both time and language began.
After God created Michael, God showed Michael everything, creating everyone and everything else by and for Michael (Col. 1:16).
Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
The Godhead, Correctly Explained
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #71Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 5:12 amLightBearer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 6:43 am
It does not say Jesus God though.
Consider what John said in chapter 17.
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.My Point? No Jesus'....That we are one with God as they are one but we are so through Christ. This is what it means to know the Father and He whom He sent, Jesus.I am not here to that end. However, the Alexandrian text should have stayed where they found it. The Byzantine Text is what God had intended and we used throughout unto 1800's. To think we did not have complete text because of changes or mistakes is to say we had not the truth until the Alexandrian was found.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 5:12 am From literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest accuracy to the original languages, NAS95 renders John 1:18, Jesus as "the only begotten God", supported by oldest manuscripts, the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75. That was described as the "original wordings" of the verse. For me, oldest manuscripts are less prone to copyist errors or additions to later ones.
Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #72LightBearer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 9:32 amSo, we relied more to the later while the Alexandrian was older?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 5:12 amLightBearer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 6:43 am
It does not say Jesus God though.
Consider what John said in chapter 17.
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.My Point? No Jesus'....That we are one with God as they are one but we are so through Christ. This is what it means to know the Father and He whom He sent, Jesus.I am not here to that end. However, the Alexandrian text should have stayed where they found it. The Byzantine Text is what God had intended and we used throughout unto 1800's. To think we did not have complete text because of changes or mistakes is to say we had not the truth until the Alexandrian was found.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 5:12 am From literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest accuracy to the original languages, NAS95 renders John 1:18, Jesus as "the only begotten God", supported by oldest manuscripts, the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75. That was described as the "original wordings" of the verse. For me, oldest manuscripts are less prone to copyist errors or additions to later ones.
Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
The Alexandrian text is older than the Byzantine text. Alexandrian manuscripts, particularly those associated with the early church fathers like Origen and Cyril of Alexandria, date back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The earliest clear witnesses to the Byzantine text are found in the writings of eastern church fathers from the late 4th century onwards.https://www.google.com/search?q=which+i ... e&ie=UTF-8
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #73Yet the Gospel, through the reformers, went throughout the world through the Byzantine.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 10:36 pm
So, we relied more to the later while the Alexandrian was older?
The Alexandrian text is older than the Byzantine text. Alexandrian manuscripts, particularly those associated with the early church fathers like Origen and Cyril of Alexandria, date back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The earliest clear witnesses to the Byzantine text are found in the writings of eastern church fathers from the late 4th century onwards.https://www.google.com/search?q=which+i ... e&ie=UTF-8
In regard to clear witnesses to the Byzantine text type prior to the 4th century.
"In a detailed study published in 2008, Carl Cosaert listed 15 readings in Clements text of Matthew that agree with the Textus Receptus and disagree with B " compared with 14 readings in Clements text of Matthew that agree with B and disagree with the TR. And if the uncorrected first hand of Sinaiticus, rather than Vaticanus, is made the flagship for the Alexandrian Text, then (if we accept Cosaerts data) Clement agrees with Sinaiticus while simultaneously disagreeing with TR 15 times, but Clement agrees with the TR while simultaneously disagreeing with Sinaiticus 36 times." https://www.thetextofthegospels.com/201 ... -they.html
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #74Considering John's use of the word Monogenes else whereCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 10:36 pm
The Alexandrian text is older than the Byzantine text. Alexandrian manuscripts, particularly those associated with the early church fathers like Origen and Cyril of Alexandria, date back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The earliest clear witnesses to the Byzantine text are found in the writings of eastern church fathers from the late 4th century onwards.https://www.google.com/search?q=which+i ... e&ie=UTF-8
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
And what Antiquity actually puts forth in regard to verse 18. The Byzantine text type is the logical choice. P66 and P75 of the Alexandrian Text type do not even agree in their witness.
Incidentally Clement died 215 and Theodotus Irenaeus died 202. Both have used the Byzantine text type in regard to this verse. Being so, this puts the usage way before the 4th century as you had put forth.
] p66 * B C* L pc syrp syrh(mg) geo2 Diatessarona Valentiniansaccording to Irenaeus Valentiniansaccording to Clement Ptolemy Heracleon Origengr(2/4) Ariusaccording to Epiphanius Apostolic Constitutions Didymus Ps-Ignatius Synesiusaccording to Epiphanius Cyril1/4 WH
] p75 2 33 pc copbo Theodotusaccording to Clement(1/2) Clement2/3 Origengr(2/4) Eusebius3/7 Serapion1/2 Basil1/2 Gregory-Nyssa Epiphanius Cyril3/4
] (see John 3:16; John 3:18; 1John 4:9) A C E F G H K Wsupp X " 063 0141 f1 f13 28 157 180 205 565 579 597 700 892 1006 1009 1010 1071 1079 1195 1216 1230 1241 1242 1243 1253 1292 1342 1344 1365 1424 1505 1546 1646 2148 Byz Lect ita itaur itb itc ite itf itff2 itl vg syrc syrh syrpal arm eth geo1 slav Theodotusaccording to Clement(1/2) Theodotus Irenaeuslat(1/3) Clement1/3 Tertullian Hippolytus Origenlat(1/2) Letter of Hymenaeus Alexander Eustathius Eusebius4/7 Hegemonius Ambrosiaster Faustinus Serapion1/2 Victorinus-Rome Hilary5/7 Athanasius Titus-Bostra Basil1/2 Gregory-Nazianzus Gregory-Elvira Phoebadius Ambrose10/11 Chrysostom Synesius Jerome Theodore Augustine Nonnus Cyril1/4 Proclus Varimadum Theodoret Fulgentius Caesarius John-Damascus Ps-Priscillian
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #75Putting aside church teaching and traditional theology and just looking at the word itself, "only-begotten" in Greek has nothing to do with origins or birth, it essentially means "unique" as in special.
So Isaacs was not Abraham only born son but he was his "only-begotten" as in the he occupied a unique special position as his beloved son set to inherit the Abrahamic promise.
It takes a special kind of mental gymnastics to make the term "only-begotten/unique son" to mean being equal to the Father.
So Isaacs was not Abraham only born son but he was his "only-begotten" as in the he occupied a unique special position as his beloved son set to inherit the Abrahamic promise.
It takes a special kind of mental gymnastics to make the term "only-begotten/unique son" to mean being equal to the Father.
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Post #76Well, this is what the Updated American Standard Version+ (UASV+) render John 1:18 below, and the N7 note I colored blue that described the original wordings of the text. There are various reading as to "the only begotten Son" but was not described as the "original words".LightBearer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 10, 2025 10:02 amConsidering John's use of the word Monogenes else whereCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 10:36 pm
The Alexandrian text is older than the Byzantine text. Alexandrian manuscripts, particularly those associated with the early church fathers like Origen and Cyril of Alexandria, date back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The earliest clear witnesses to the Byzantine text are found in the writings of eastern church fathers from the late 4th century onwards.https://www.google.com/search?q=which+i ... e&ie=UTF-8
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
And what Antiquity actually puts forth in regard to verse 18. The Byzantine text type is the logical choice. P66 and P75 of the Alexandrian Text type do not even agree in their witness.
Incidentally Clement died 215 and Theodotus Irenaeus died 202. Both have used the Byzantine text type in regard to this verse. Being so, this puts the usage way before the 4th century as you had put forth.
] p66 * B C* L pc syrp syrh(mg) geo2 Diatessarona Valentiniansaccording to Irenaeus Valentiniansaccording to Clement Ptolemy Heracleon Origengr(2/4) Ariusaccording to Epiphanius Apostolic Constitutions Didymus Ps-Ignatius Synesiusaccording to Epiphanius Cyril1/4 WH
] p75 2 33 pc copbo Theodotusaccording to Clement(1/2) Clement2/3 Origengr(2/4) Eusebius3/7 Serapion1/2 Basil1/2 Gregory-Nyssa Epiphanius Cyril3/4
] (see John 3:16; John 3:18; 1John 4:9) A C E F G H K Wsupp X " 063 0141 f1 f13 28 157 180 205 565 579 597 700 892 1006 1009 1010 1071 1079 1195 1216 1230 1241 1242 1243 1253 1292 1342 1344 1365 1424 1505 1546 1646 2148 Byz Lect ita itaur itb itc ite itf itff2 itl vg syrc syrh syrpal arm eth geo1 slav Theodotusaccording to Clement(1/2) Theodotus Irenaeuslat(1/3) Clement1/3 Tertullian Hippolytus Origenlat(1/2) Letter of Hymenaeus Alexander Eustathius Eusebius4/7 Hegemonius Ambrosiaster Faustinus Serapion1/2 Victorinus-Rome Hilary5/7 Athanasius Titus-Bostra Basil1/2 Gregory-Nazianzus Gregory-Elvira Phoebadius Ambrose10/11 Chrysostom Synesius Jerome Theodore Augustine Nonnus Cyril1/4 Proclus Varimadum Theodoret Fulgentius Caesarius John-Damascus Ps-Priscillian
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(UASV+)John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten GodN7 who is in the bosom of the Father,N8 that one has made him fully known.
N7 John 1:18 (UASV+)
The original words were or - only-begotten God or the only-begotten God (P66 P75 B C* L 33 syrhmp 33 copbo) A variant reading is - the only begotten Son A C3 (Ws) f1, Maj syrc)
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #77There was parts of this post that was made by me missing. I just fixed it, but How does that happen?LightBearer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 10, 2025 10:02 amConsidering John's use of the word Monogenes else whereCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 10:36 pm
The Alexandrian text is older than the Byzantine text. Alexandrian manuscripts, particularly those associated with the early church fathers like Origen and Cyril of Alexandria, date back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The earliest clear witnesses to the Byzantine text are found in the writings of eastern church fathers from the late 4th century onwards.https://www.google.com/search?q=which+i ... e&ie=UTF-8
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
And what Antiquity actually puts forth in regard to verse 18. The Byzantine text type is the logical choice. P66 and P75 of the Alexandrian Text type do not even agree in their witness.
Incidentally Clement died 215 and Theodotus Irenaeus died 202. Both have used the Byzantine text type in regard to this verse. Being so, this puts the usage way before the 4th century as you had put forth.
] p66 * B C* L pc syrp syrh(mg) geo2 Diatessarona Valentiniansaccording to Irenaeus Valentiniansaccording to Clement Ptolemy Heracleon Origengr(2/4) Ariusaccording to Epiphanius Apostolic Constitutions Didymus Ps-Ignatius Synesiusaccording to Epiphanius Cyril1/4 WH
] p75 2 33 pc copbo Theodotusaccording to Clement(1/2) Clement2/3 Origengr(2/4) Eusebius3/7 Serapion1/2 Basil1/2 Gregory-Nyssa Epiphanius Cyril3/4
] (see John 3:16; John 3:18; 1John 4:9) A C E F G H K Wsupp X " 063 0141 f1 f13 28 157 180 205 565 579 597 700 892 1006 1009 1010 1071 1079 1195 1216 1230 1241 1242 1243 1253 1292 1342 1344 1365 1424 1505 1546 1646 2148 Byz Lect ita itaur itb itc ite itf itff2 itl vg syrc syrh syrpal arm eth geo1 slav Theodotusaccording to Clement(1/2) Theodotus Irenaeuslat(1/3) Clement1/3 Tertullian Hippolytus Origenlat(1/2) Letter of Hymenaeus Alexander Eustathius Eusebius4/7 Hegemonius Ambrosiaster Faustinus Serapion1/2 Victorinus-Rome Hilary5/7 Athanasius Titus-Bostra Basil1/2 Gregory-Nazianzus Gregory-Elvira Phoebadius Ambrose10/11 Chrysostom Synesius Jerome Theodore Augustine Nonnus Cyril1/4 Proclus Varimadum Theodoret Fulgentius Caesarius John-Damascus Ps-Priscillian
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #78It maybe because of the "special characters" on our responses. Special characters are defined as characters not found in the keyboard.LightBearer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:26 amThere was parts of this post that was made by me missing. I just fixed it, but How does that happen?LightBearer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 10, 2025 10:02 amConsidering John's use of the word Monogenes else whereCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 10:36 pm
The Alexandrian text is older than the Byzantine text. Alexandrian manuscripts, particularly those associated with the early church fathers like Origen and Cyril of Alexandria, date back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The earliest clear witnesses to the Byzantine text are found in the writings of eastern church fathers from the late 4th century onwards.https://www.google.com/search?q=which+i ... e&ie=UTF-8
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
And what Antiquity actually puts forth in regard to verse 18. The Byzantine text type is the logical choice. P66 and P75 of the Alexandrian Text type do not even agree in their witness.
Incidentally Clement died 215 and Theodotus Irenaeus died 202. Both have used the Byzantine text type in regard to this verse. Being so, this puts the usage way before the 4th century as you had put forth.
] p66 * B C* L pc syrp syrh(mg) geo2 Diatessarona Valentiniansaccording to Irenaeus Valentiniansaccording to Clement Ptolemy Heracleon Origengr(2/4) Ariusaccording to Epiphanius Apostolic Constitutions Didymus Ps-Ignatius Synesiusaccording to Epiphanius Cyril1/4 WH
] p75 2 33 pc copbo Theodotusaccording to Clement(1/2) Clement2/3 Origengr(2/4) Eusebius3/7 Serapion1/2 Basil1/2 Gregory-Nyssa Epiphanius Cyril3/4
] (see John 3:16; John 3:18; 1John 4:9) A C E F G H K Wsupp X " 063 0141 f1 f13 28 157 180 205 565 579 597 700 892 1006 1009 1010 1071 1079 1195 1216 1230 1241 1242 1243 1253 1292 1342 1344 1365 1424 1505 1546 1646 2148 Byz Lect ita itaur itb itc ite itf itff2 itl vg syrc syrh syrpal arm eth geo1 slav Theodotusaccording to Clement(1/2) Theodotus Irenaeuslat(1/3) Clement1/3 Tertullian Hippolytus Origenlat(1/2) Letter of Hymenaeus Alexander Eustathius Eusebius4/7 Hegemonius Ambrosiaster Faustinus Serapion1/2 Victorinus-Rome Hilary5/7 Athanasius Titus-Bostra Basil1/2 Gregory-Nazianzus Gregory-Elvira Phoebadius Ambrose10/11 Chrysostom Synesius Jerome Theodore Augustine Nonnus Cyril1/4 Proclus Varimadum Theodoret Fulgentius Caesarius John-Damascus Ps-Priscillian
] itq (copsa? ) Irenaeuslat(1/3) Ambrose1/11(vid)
] vgms Diatessaron Jacob-Nisibis Ephraem Cyril-Jerusalem Ps-Ignatius Ps-Vigilius1/2 Nonnus Nestorius
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Well, I'll repost my reply for your easy reference. The Updated American Standard Version+ (UASV+) render John 1:18 below, and the N7 note I colored blue that described the original wordings of the text. There are various reading as to "the only begotten Son" but was not described as the "original words".
(UASV+)John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten GodN7 who is in the bosom of the Father,N8 that one has made him fully known.
N7 John 1:18 (UASV+)
The original words were or - only-begotten God or the only-begotten God (P66 P75 B C* L 33 syrhmp 33 copbo) A variant reading is - the only begotten Son A C3 (Ws) f1, Maj syrc)
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #79The comment that they are original word is the opinion of the translators, not a fact.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 16, 2025 2:15 am There are various reading as to "the only begotten Son" but was not described as the "original words".
(UASV+)John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten GodN7 who is in the bosom of the Father,N8 that one has made him fully known.
N7 John 1:18 (UASV+)
The original words were or - only-begotten God or the only-begotten God (P66 P75 B C* L 33 syrhmp 33 copbo) A variant reading is - the only begotten Son A C3 (Ws) f1, Maj syrc)
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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained
Post #80They got that phrase "original words" from the oldest manuscripts, the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75.LightBearer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 17, 2025 5:29 amThe comment that they are original word is the opinion of the translators, not a fact.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 16, 2025 2:15 am There are various reading as to "the only begotten Son" but was not described as the "original words".
(UASV+)John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten GodN7 who is in the bosom of the Father,N8 that one has made him fully known.
N7 John 1:18 (UASV+)
The original words were or - only-begotten God or the only-begotten God (P66 P75 B C* L 33 syrhmp 33 copbo) A variant reading is - the only begotten Son A C3 (Ws) f1, Maj syrc)
And besides it is not a translation, it is in Greek " or - ".
Westcott and Hort's New Testament in the Original Greek render that phrase the same with the papyri 66 and 75.
Jesus as the "only begotten God".
(NT Wescott and Hort+) Joh 1:18 G2316 N-ASM G3762 A-NSM-N G3708 V-RAI-3S-ATT G4455 ADV -G3439 A-NSM G2316 N-NSM G3588 T-NSM G1510 V-PAP-NSM G1519 PREP G3588 T-ASM G2859 N-ASM G3588 T-GSM G3962 N-GSM G1565 D-NSM --G1834 V-ADI-3S


