I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.
Jesus' words:
1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)
2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)
He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)
5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)
6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)
Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?
Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?
JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Post #731OneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:23 amHebrews 1:6kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pmNo, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pmDo you worship Jesus? Yes or no?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.
They mistranslated the Greek word Proskenaue for worship to Jesus--It translates to bow and kiss the feet. 5 different meanings from Greek to English. 1)worship to God, 2) obeisance to a king, 3) honor to a judge, and 2 others. In trinity translation they have the Israelites bowing in worship to Jesus, but the facts are as follows--The Israelites knew 100% the Messiah has a God and is not God( Psalm 45:7) thus would never bow in worship to one who has a God just like us( John 20:17)-they bowed in obeisance as do the angels. All using those error filled translations are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily, making them workers of iniquity, and this will be their judgement-Matt 7:22-23. Best to believe Jesus who contradicts those errors-John 20:17, Rev 3:12
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #732OneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:48 amWhat do you mean "IF" you errored?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:40 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:06 pmI cannot find anywhere on this forumkjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
where I stated that Jesus was the Father.
You should not say things that are not as you stated them.
Sorry if i erred. Someone had said it. My mistake.
Can you find anywhere on the forum, I stated what you claimed I stated?
Where I am from we call that a lie.
I admitted i made a mistake. It wasnt a lie. i explained it to you.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #733I have observed over the many yearskjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:32 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:23 amHebrews 1:6kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pmNo, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pmDo you worship Jesus? Yes or no?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.
They mistranslated the Greek word Proskenaue for worship to Jesus--It translates to bow and kiss the feet. 5 different meanings from Greek to English. 1)worship to God, 2) obeisance to a king, 3) honor to a judge, and 2 others. In trinity translation they have the Israelites bowing in worship to Jesus, but the facts are as follows--The Israelites knew 100% the Messiah has a God and is not God( Psalm 45:7) thus would never bow in worship to one who has a God just like us( John 20:17)-they bowed in obeisance as do the angels. All using those error filled translations are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily, making them workers of iniquity, and this will be their judgement-Matt 7:22-23. Best to believe Jesus who contradicts those errors-John 20:17, Rev 3:12
that sinners who went their own way will refuse to believe
the words as they are written but will always say that it was
a translation error or an interpretation error as their line of reasoning
as to why they error in their ways. And when I run across these sinners
and they tell me the same old story that I have heard over and over
I say to myself, I would like to be there when they try to pass off that
line of malarkey to the angels of God. You never know I might be there to see it.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #734I do not think God is going to agree with you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:48 amWhat do you mean "IF" you errored?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:40 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:06 pmI cannot find anywhere on this forumkjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
where I stated that Jesus was the Father.
You should not say things that are not as you stated them.
Sorry if i erred. Someone had said it. My mistake.
Can you find anywhere on the forum, I stated what you claimed I stated?
Where I am from we call that a lie.
I admitted i made a mistake. It wasnt a lie. i explained it to you.
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Post #735OneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:45 pmI have observed over the many yearskjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:32 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:23 amHebrews 1:6kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pmNo, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pmDo you worship Jesus? Yes or no?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.
They mistranslated the Greek word Proskenaue for worship to Jesus--It translates to bow and kiss the feet. 5 different meanings from Greek to English. 1)worship to God, 2) obeisance to a king, 3) honor to a judge, and 2 others. In trinity translation they have the Israelites bowing in worship to Jesus, but the facts are as follows--The Israelites knew 100% the Messiah has a God and is not God( Psalm 45:7) thus would never bow in worship to one who has a God just like us( John 20:17)-they bowed in obeisance as do the angels. All using those error filled translations are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily, making them workers of iniquity, and this will be their judgement-Matt 7:22-23. Best to believe Jesus who contradicts those errors-John 20:17, Rev 3:12
that sinners who went their own way will refuse to believe
the words as they are written but will always say that it was
a translation error or an interpretation error as their line of reasoning
as to why they error in their ways. And when I run across these sinners
and they tell me the same old story that I have heard over and over
I say to myself, I would like to be there when they try to pass off that
line of malarkey to the angels of God. You never know I might be there to see it.
Fact--Catholicism translated the Greek Lexicons and Latin Vulgate--the only NT works that remained when the protestants translated in the 1300,s. Their ( Catholicism)own translating proves they are false religion yet you refuse to believe that since Jesus was not with that religion, satan was, and errors were translated in to fit false council teachings. Not ever corrected by a single protestant religion.
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Post #736OneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:47 pmI do not think God is going to agree with you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:48 amWhat do you mean "IF" you errored?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:40 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:06 pmI cannot find anywhere on this forumkjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
where I stated that Jesus was the Father.
You should not say things that are not as you stated them.
Sorry if i erred. Someone had said it. My mistake.
Can you find anywhere on the forum, I stated what you claimed I stated?
Where I am from we call that a lie.
I admitted i made a mistake. It wasnt a lie. i explained it to you.
God = merciful, loving, forgiving, as is Jesus--What about you?
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #737I do not think this excuse is going to deliver you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:58 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:45 pmI have observed over the many yearskjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:32 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:23 amHebrews 1:6kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pmNo, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pmDo you worship Jesus? Yes or no?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pm
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.
They mistranslated the Greek word Proskenaue for worship to Jesus--It translates to bow and kiss the feet. 5 different meanings from Greek to English. 1)worship to God, 2) obeisance to a king, 3) honor to a judge, and 2 others. In trinity translation they have the Israelites bowing in worship to Jesus, but the facts are as follows--The Israelites knew 100% the Messiah has a God and is not God( Psalm 45:7) thus would never bow in worship to one who has a God just like us( John 20:17)-they bowed in obeisance as do the angels. All using those error filled translations are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily, making them workers of iniquity, and this will be their judgement-Matt 7:22-23. Best to believe Jesus who contradicts those errors-John 20:17, Rev 3:12
that sinners who went their own way will refuse to believe
the words as they are written but will always say that it was
a translation error or an interpretation error as their line of reasoning
as to why they error in their ways. And when I run across these sinners
and they tell me the same old story that I have heard over and over
I say to myself, I would like to be there when they try to pass off that
line of malarkey to the angels of God. You never know I might be there to see it.
Fact--Catholicism translated the Greek Lexicons and Latin Vulgate--the only NT works that remained when the protestants translated in the 1300,s. Their ( Catholicism)own translating proves they are false religion yet you refuse to believe that since Jesus was not with that religion, satan was, and errors were translated in to fit false council teachings. Not ever corrected by a single protestant religion.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #738I am not God, and my name is not Jesus.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:47 pmI do not think God is going to agree with you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:48 amWhat do you mean "IF" you errored?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:40 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:06 pmI cannot find anywhere on this forumkjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pm
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
where I stated that Jesus was the Father.
You should not say things that are not as you stated them.
Sorry if i erred. Someone had said it. My mistake.
Can you find anywhere on the forum, I stated what you claimed I stated?
Where I am from we call that a lie.
I admitted i made a mistake. It wasnt a lie. i explained it to you.
God = merciful, loving, forgiving, as is Jesus--What about you?
But I am honored that you use them as a standard to
compare me.
So tell me
why do you pollute the mercy of the living God?
Why do you not value it more than anything?
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Post #739OneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:06 pmI am not God, and my name is not Jesus.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:47 pmI do not think God is going to agree with you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:48 amWhat do you mean "IF" you errored?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:40 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:06 pmI cannot find anywhere on this forumkjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pm
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
where I stated that Jesus was the Father.
You should not say things that are not as you stated them.
Sorry if i erred. Someone had said it. My mistake.
Can you find anywhere on the forum, I stated what you claimed I stated?
Where I am from we call that a lie.
I admitted i made a mistake. It wasnt a lie. i explained it to you.
God = merciful, loving, forgiving, as is Jesus--What about you?
But I am honored that you use them as a standard to
compare me.
So tell me
why do you pollute the mercy of the living God?
Why do you not value it more than anything?
Since when did God appoint you my judge?
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #740What's it to you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:06 pmI am not God, and my name is not Jesus.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:47 pmI do not think God is going to agree with you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:48 amWhat do you mean "IF" you errored?
Can you find anywhere on the forum, I stated what you claimed I stated?
Where I am from we call that a lie.
I admitted i made a mistake. It wasnt a lie. i explained it to you.
God = merciful, loving, forgiving, as is Jesus--What about you?
But I am honored that you use them as a standard to
compare me.
So tell me
why do you pollute the mercy of the living God?
Why do you not value it more than anything?
Since when did God appoint you my judge?