Questions about Jesus and JW’s

[MissKate13]

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.

When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?

I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.

MissKate13

[onewithhim]

Subordinate as obedient to the Father but the same in the nature of being God.
Does your son not obey to your advises? Obedient or not you both are the same as human.

A human Father is older, wiser, has more power and authority than his son and on this basis has the right to be obeyed. My QUESTION is: Upon what basis is Jesus subordinate to the Father. What is the difference between the two that makes one the subordinate and one the dominant?

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

All humans are equal refers to moral or legal equality, meaning that everyone possesses inherent dignity and rights regardless of their background, abilities, or circumstances.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles and relationships within the Godhead, not in a way that diminishes His divine nature. Jesus was given all the power and authority whom was from the Father. And Jesus seat is positioned in the right hand of the Father. If a human father says to the son, you are my right hand. Is the son's role the same with his father?


Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(ASV)Mat 28:19 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
(KJV) Mat 28:19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

You said yourself that all the authority that Jesus has was GIVEN to him by his Father. The Father did not have to give His Son anything, and, after giving it, He could take it back, couldn't He? There is subordination on Jesus' part, with the definition brought out by JehovahsWitness. He is not equal to the Father, God, even though he is sitting at God's right hand.

Yes, though they are equal in power and authority, who was the giver and the recipient in Mat 28:18?
Being Divine, they are equal. In salvation roles they are different, Jesus obedient to the Father as in "relational subordination". In Heaven Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father. Just like what I've said, if a human father said to his son, you are my right hand. Do they have the same role? Though they are equal in terms of human dignity and rights.

In Matt.28:18 the Giver is the Father, and the recipient is Jesus. Jesus said that himself, didn't he? He said, "All authority [that I have] has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." (Brackets mine.) BTW, they are not equal in power and authority. The Father gave Jesus authority but not ALL of the Father's authority and power. "All authority" is relative. Jesus received authority and power over those others that exist, but not ALL of the Father's authority.
They do not have the same role.

[Capbook]

Subordinate as obedient to the Father but the same in the nature of being God.
Does your son not obey to your advises? Obedient or not you both are the same as human.

A human Father is older, wiser, has more power and authority than his son and on this basis has the right to be obeyed. My QUESTION is: Upon what basis is Jesus subordinate to the Father. What is the difference between the two that makes one the subordinate and one the dominant?

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

All humans are equal refers to moral or legal equality, meaning that everyone possesses inherent dignity and rights regardless of their background, abilities, or circumstances.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles and relationships within the Godhead, not in a way that diminishes His divine nature. Jesus was given all the power and authority whom was from the Father. And Jesus seat is positioned in the right hand of the Father. If a human father says to the son, you are my right hand. Is the son's role the same with his father?


Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(ASV)Mat 28:19 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
(KJV) Mat 28:19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

You said yourself that all the authority that Jesus has was GIVEN to him by his Father. The Father did not have to give His Son anything, and, after giving it, He could take it back, couldn't He? There is subordination on Jesus' part, with the definition brought out by JehovahsWitness. He is not equal to the Father, God, even though he is sitting at God's right hand.

Yes, though they are equal in power and authority, who was the giver and the recipient in Mat 28:18?
Being Divine, they are equal. In salvation roles they are different, Jesus obedient to the Father as in "relational subordination". In Heaven Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father. Just like what I've said, if a human father said to his son, you are my right hand. Do they have the same role? Though they are equal in terms of human dignity and rights.

In Matt.28:18 the Giver is the Father, and the recipient is Jesus. Jesus said that himself, didn't he? He said, "All authority [that I have] has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." (Brackets mine.) BTW, they are not equal in power and authority. The Father gave Jesus authority but not ALL of the Father's authority and power. "All authority" is relative. Jesus received authority and power over those others that exist, but not ALL of the Father's authority.
They do not have the same role.

You may give me your source how it defined "all".
The text (Mat 28:18) speaks about "All", in Greek, "πᾶς pas" defined by Mounce and Thayer Bible Lexicons as the whole, entire, all things, everything, etc.
That is also in harmony with John 16:15.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Jhn 16:15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you

G3956 (Mounce)
πᾶς pas
all; in the sg. the whole, entire.

G3956 (Thayer) πᾶς
pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types

[onewithhim]

Subordinate as obedient to the Father but the same in the nature of being God.
Does your son not obey to your advises? Obedient or not you both are the same as human.

A human Father is older, wiser, has more power and authority than his son and on this basis has the right to be obeyed. My QUESTION is: Upon what basis is Jesus subordinate to the Father. What is the difference between the two that makes one the subordinate and one the dominant?

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

All humans are equal refers to moral or legal equality, meaning that everyone possesses inherent dignity and rights regardless of their background, abilities, or circumstances.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles and relationships within the Godhead, not in a way that diminishes His divine nature. Jesus was given all the power and authority whom was from the Father. And Jesus seat is positioned in the right hand of the Father. If a human father says to the son, you are my right hand. Is the son's role the same with his father?


Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(ASV)Mat 28:19 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
(KJV) Mat 28:19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

You said yourself that all the authority that Jesus has was GIVEN to him by his Father. The Father did not have to give His Son anything, and, after giving it, He could take it back, couldn't He? There is subordination on Jesus' part, with the definition brought out by JehovahsWitness. He is not equal to the Father, God, even though he is sitting at God's right hand.

Yes, though they are equal in power and authority, who was the giver and the recipient in Mat 28:18?
Being Divine, they are equal. In salvation roles they are different, Jesus obedient to the Father as in "relational subordination". In Heaven Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father. Just like what I've said, if a human father said to his son, you are my right hand. Do they have the same role? Though they are equal in terms of human dignity and rights.

In Matt.28:18 the Giver is the Father, and the recipient is Jesus. Jesus said that himself, didn't he? He said, "All authority [that I have] has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." (Brackets mine.) BTW, they are not equal in power and authority. The Father gave Jesus authority but not ALL of the Father's authority and power. "All authority" is relative. Jesus received authority and power over those others that exist, but not ALL of the Father's authority.
They do not have the same role.

You may give me your source how it defined "all".
The text (Mat 28:18) speaks about "All", in Greek, "πᾶς pas" defined by Mounce and Thayer Bible Lexicons as the whole, entire, all things, everything, etc.
That is also in harmony with John 16:15.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Jhn 16:15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you

G3956 (Mounce)
πᾶς pas
all; in the sg. the whole, entire.

G3956 (Thayer) πᾶς
pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types

It is understood that if the Father GAVE Jesus authority Jesus would be beholdin' to the Father. Jesus is always subservient to the Father, as I Corinthians 15:27 indicates. Can you tell me what you think that verse means?

[Capbook]

Subordinate as obedient to the Father but the same in the nature of being God.
Does your son not obey to your advises? Obedient or not you both are the same as human.

A human Father is older, wiser, has more power and authority than his son and on this basis has the right to be obeyed. My QUESTION is: Upon what basis is Jesus subordinate to the Father. What is the difference between the two that makes one the subordinate and one the dominant?

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

All humans are equal refers to moral or legal equality, meaning that everyone possesses inherent dignity and rights regardless of their background, abilities, or circumstances.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles and relationships within the Godhead, not in a way that diminishes His divine nature. Jesus was given all the power and authority whom was from the Father. And Jesus seat is positioned in the right hand of the Father. If a human father says to the son, you are my right hand. Is the son's role the same with his father?


Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(ASV)Mat 28:19 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
(KJV) Mat 28:19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

You said yourself that all the authority that Jesus has was GIVEN to him by his Father. The Father did not have to give His Son anything, and, after giving it, He could take it back, couldn't He? There is subordination on Jesus' part, with the definition brought out by JehovahsWitness. He is not equal to the Father, God, even though he is sitting at God's right hand.

Yes, though they are equal in power and authority, who was the giver and the recipient in Mat 28:18?
Being Divine, they are equal. In salvation roles they are different, Jesus obedient to the Father as in "relational subordination". In Heaven Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father. Just like what I've said, if a human father said to his son, you are my right hand. Do they have the same role? Though they are equal in terms of human dignity and rights.

In Matt.28:18 the Giver is the Father, and the recipient is Jesus. Jesus said that himself, didn't he? He said, "All authority [that I have] has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." (Brackets mine.) BTW, they are not equal in power and authority. The Father gave Jesus authority but not ALL of the Father's authority and power. "All authority" is relative. Jesus received authority and power over those others that exist, but not ALL of the Father's authority.
They do not have the same role.

You may give me your source how it defined "all".
The text (Mat 28:18) speaks about "All", in Greek, "πᾶς pas" defined by Mounce and Thayer Bible Lexicons as the whole, entire, all things, everything, etc.
That is also in harmony with John 16:15.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Jhn 16:15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you

G3956 (Mounce)
πᾶς pas
all; in the sg. the whole, entire.

G3956 (Thayer) πᾶς
pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types

It is understood that if the Father GAVE Jesus authority Jesus would be beholdin' to the Father. Jesus is always subservient to the Father, as I Corinthians 15:27 indicates. Can you tell me what you think that verse means?

Yes, the Father will always remain a father, so the Son will remain a son, that subjection is still "relational subordination." Christ as a man when He went up to heaven and when He will return as in His human nature, seen visibly and will be with the saints to all eternity. But in His divine nature He is equal with the Father, has all the perfections and the whole fulness of the Godhead dwelling in Him the divine nature bodily.

1Co 15:27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.

[onewithhim]

Subordinate as obedient to the Father but the same in the nature of being God.
Does your son not obey to your advises? Obedient or not you both are the same as human.

A human Father is older, wiser, has more power and authority than his son and on this basis has the right to be obeyed. My QUESTION is: Upon what basis is Jesus subordinate to the Father. What is the difference between the two that makes one the subordinate and one the dominant?

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

All humans are equal refers to moral or legal equality, meaning that everyone possesses inherent dignity and rights regardless of their background, abilities, or circumstances.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles and relationships within the Godhead, not in a way that diminishes His divine nature. Jesus was given all the power and authority whom was from the Father. And Jesus seat is positioned in the right hand of the Father. If a human father says to the son, you are my right hand. Is the son's role the same with his father?


Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(ASV)Mat 28:19 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
(KJV) Mat 28:19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

You said yourself that all the authority that Jesus has was GIVEN to him by his Father. The Father did not have to give His Son anything, and, after giving it, He could take it back, couldn't He? There is subordination on Jesus' part, with the definition brought out by JehovahsWitness. He is not equal to the Father, God, even though he is sitting at God's right hand.

Yes, though they are equal in power and authority, who was the giver and the recipient in Mat 28:18?
Being Divine, they are equal. In salvation roles they are different, Jesus obedient to the Father as in "relational subordination". In Heaven Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father. Just like what I've said, if a human father said to his son, you are my right hand. Do they have the same role? Though they are equal in terms of human dignity and rights.

In Matt.28:18 the Giver is the Father, and the recipient is Jesus. Jesus said that himself, didn't he? He said, "All authority [that I have] has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." (Brackets mine.) BTW, they are not equal in power and authority. The Father gave Jesus authority but not ALL of the Father's authority and power. "All authority" is relative. Jesus received authority and power over those others that exist, but not ALL of the Father's authority.
They do not have the same role.

You may give me your source how it defined "all".
The text (Mat 28:18) speaks about "All", in Greek, "πᾶς pas" defined by Mounce and Thayer Bible Lexicons as the whole, entire, all things, everything, etc.
That is also in harmony with John 16:15.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Jhn 16:15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you

G3956 (Mounce)
πᾶς pas
all; in the sg. the whole, entire.

G3956 (Thayer) πᾶς
pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types

It is understood that if the Father GAVE Jesus authority Jesus would be beholdin' to the Father. Jesus is always subservient to the Father, as I Corinthians 15:27 indicates. Can you tell me what you think that verse means?

Yes, the Father will always remain a father, so the Son will remain a son, that subjection is still "relational subordination." Christ as a man when He went up to heaven and when He will return as in His human nature, seen visibly and will be with the saints to all eternity. But in His divine nature He is equal with the Father, has all the perfections and the whole fulness of the Godhead dwelling in Him the divine nature bodily.

1Co 15:27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.

Nothing in the scriptures indicates that Jesus and God are equal. In fact, they show the opposite. If Christ is subordinate to the Father in any way, he is not equal to God. That they are equal is your opinion, all in your mind.

[Capbook]

Subordinate as obedient to the Father but the same in the nature of being God.
Does your son not obey to your advises? Obedient or not you both are the same as human.

A human Father is older, wiser, has more power and authority than his son and on this basis has the right to be obeyed. My QUESTION is: Upon what basis is Jesus subordinate to the Father. What is the difference between the two that makes one the subordinate and one the dominant?

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

All humans are equal refers to moral or legal equality, meaning that everyone possesses inherent dignity and rights regardless of their background, abilities, or circumstances.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles and relationships within the Godhead, not in a way that diminishes His divine nature. Jesus was given all the power and authority whom was from the Father. And Jesus seat is positioned in the right hand of the Father. If a human father says to the son, you are my right hand. Is the son's role the same with his father?


Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(ASV)Mat 28:19 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
(KJV) Mat 28:19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

You said yourself that all the authority that Jesus has was GIVEN to him by his Father. The Father did not have to give His Son anything, and, after giving it, He could take it back, couldn't He? There is subordination on Jesus' part, with the definition brought out by JehovahsWitness. He is not equal to the Father, God, even though he is sitting at God's right hand.

Yes, though they are equal in power and authority, who was the giver and the recipient in Mat 28:18?
Being Divine, they are equal. In salvation roles they are different, Jesus obedient to the Father as in "relational subordination". In Heaven Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father. Just like what I've said, if a human father said to his son, you are my right hand. Do they have the same role? Though they are equal in terms of human dignity and rights.

In Matt.28:18 the Giver is the Father, and the recipient is Jesus. Jesus said that himself, didn't he? He said, "All authority [that I have] has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." (Brackets mine.) BTW, they are not equal in power and authority. The Father gave Jesus authority but not ALL of the Father's authority and power. "All authority" is relative. Jesus received authority and power over those others that exist, but not ALL of the Father's authority.
They do not have the same role.

You may give me your source how it defined "all".
The text (Mat 28:18) speaks about "All", in Greek, "πᾶς pas" defined by Mounce and Thayer Bible Lexicons as the whole, entire, all things, everything, etc.
That is also in harmony with John 16:15.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Jhn 16:15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you

G3956 (Mounce)
πᾶς pas
all; in the sg. the whole, entire.

G3956 (Thayer) πᾶς
pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types

It is understood that if the Father GAVE Jesus authority Jesus would be beholdin' to the Father. Jesus is always subservient to the Father, as I Corinthians 15:27 indicates. Can you tell me what you think that verse means?

Yes, the Father will always remain a father, so the Son will remain a son, that subjection is still "relational subordination." Christ as a man when He went up to heaven and when He will return as in His human nature, seen visibly and will be with the saints to all eternity. But in His divine nature He is equal with the Father, has all the perfections and the whole fulness of the Godhead dwelling in Him the divine nature bodily.

1Co 15:27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.

Nothing in the scriptures indicates that Jesus and God are equal. In fact, they show the opposite. If Christ is subordinate to the Father in any way, he is not equal to God. That they are equal is your opinion, all in your mind.

Yours might only be the opinion. Mine is from Bible which declare that Jesus is God supported by N7 sourced from P66 and P75 (papyri66, and 75).
Jesus as God, is equal with the Father in the nature of being God.
Assertions or opinions must be proven by evidence.


Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God N7  who is in the bosom of the Father, N8  that one has made him fully known.

N7 John 1:18 (UASV+)
The original words were μονογενὴς θεός or ο μονογενης θεος “only-begotten God” or “the only-begotten God” (P66 P75 א B C* L 33 syrhmp 33 copbo) A variant reading is ο μονογενης υιος “the only begotten Son” A C3 (Ws) Θ Ψ f1, Maj syrc).

[JehovahsWitness]

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles

Yes, the Father will always remain a father, so the Son will remain a son, that subjection is still "relational subordination."

So Jesus role is to be forever obedient, subordinate and in subjection to his Father is that correct?

[Capbook]

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles

Yes, the Father will always remain a father, so the Son will remain a son, that subjection is still "relational subordination."

So Jesus role is to be forever obedient, subordinate and in subjection to his Father is that correct?

Yes, Jesus even as God like the Father (John 1:18), still subject to relational subordination to the Father. Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father.
If a human father says to his son, son you are my right hand, is the son have the same role with his father? No.
But they still are the same in the nature of being human.

[JehovahsWitness]

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles

Yes, the Father will always remain a father, so the Son will remain a son, that subjection is still "relational subordination."

So Jesus role is to be forever obedient, subordinate and in subjection to his Father is that correct?

Yes, Jesus even as God like the Father (John 1:18), still subject to relational subordination to the Father. Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father....

So (just to clarify) when you refer to Jesus "relational subordination" you mean, even now in his glorified position in heaven as a mighty spirit, Jesus is and will always remain

- subordinate to the Father
- in subjection to the Father
and
- obedient to the Father.

Is that correct?

[Capbook]

SUBORDINATE

• lower in rank or position .

• a person under the authority or control of another within an organization

• treat or regard as of lesser importance than something else

- Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

.
The concept often referred to as "relational subordination" describes the relationship between the Father and the Son within the Trinity, in the context of their unique roles

Yes, the Father will always remain a father, so the Son will remain a son, that subjection is still "relational subordination."

So Jesus role is to be forever obedient, subordinate and in subjection to his Father is that correct?

Yes, Jesus even as God like the Father (John 1:18), still subject to relational subordination to the Father. Jesus sit at the right hand of the Father....

So (just to clarify) when you refer to Jesus "relational subordination" you mean, even now in his glorified position in heaven as a mighty spirit, Jesus is and will always remain

- subordinate to the Father
- in subjection to the Father
and
- obedient to the Father.

Is that correct?

First of all, we don't believe Jesus as a mighty spirit. Jesus physical body was seen when He was lifted up to heaven and be seen in His second coming. If Jesus is solely spirit, where did His body go?

As to subordinate, yes.
As to subjection means to me as obedient, yes.