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The Millennium, the 1000 years of Revelation 20...

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This thread stems from the following exchange between myself and Pinseeker:


PinSeeker wrote:

The millennium of Revelation 20 is not a future event. It was when Jeremiah prophesied, obviously, but is not anymore. Or, to be more exacting, it's no longer merely a future event.

Checkpoint asked:

Then why do so many believers think of it as yet future only?

Pinseeker explained:

For at least two reasons, I think:

1. A basic misunderstanding of Revelation as a whole, and the Millennium of chapter 20 included.

2. Many believers (primarily western believers) have bought into the heresy of the "rapture," which came about in the early 19th century. It's not that they are heretics, it's just that that's all they've ever been exposed to.
That's one take from one school of thought.

Your take may be similar or be completely different.

Please share it here, and tell us why you hold that position.

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Re: The Millennium, the 1000 years of Revelation 20...

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Checkpoint wrote:I prefer what Paul says.
1 Corinthians 15:

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?�

42 The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

44 it is sown a soulish body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a soulish body, there is also a spiritual body.

45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living soul�; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
46 The spiritual did not come first, but the soulish, and after that the spiritual.

47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.
49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we g bear the image of the heavenly man.
Then we agree.

Paul is writing to Christians and states that Christians will be resurrected at the Second coming.

He states that the Christian body that is sown is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die.

At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.

It's good to finally reach agreement on this important subject.
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Re: The Millennium, the 1000 years of Revelation 20...

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myth-one.com wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
myth-one.com wrote: [Replying to post 268 by JehovahsWitness]
The Word is an immortal spiritual body.

For about 33 years of that immortality, the man Jesus Christ existed also.

Both existed during that 33 years.
Is God the Father also "an immortal spiritual body"?
Yes.
God raised the man Jesus from the dead with the immortal spiritual body he showed to his disciples.

His existence did not end at 33 but was made eternal by his resurrection.
Revelation 1:

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and of Hades."

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myth-one.com wrote:
So He was never resurrected with a spiritual body.

He had one awaiting His return.


So are you saying he [Jesus] was a flesh and blood human?

...that he [Jesus] was executed and died?

...that he [Jesus] was was resurrected in a flesh and blood physical human body?

But you are are you saying he [Jesus] was given a spiritual body upon His return to heaven?


Is that what you are saying?
If so...

How could he he [Jesus]return to heaven if he [Jesus] had never been in heaven?



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myth-one.com wrote: So He was never resurrected with a spiritual body.

He had one awaiting His return.

That of the Word.
What would be the point of giving Jesus a body if as soon as he took it he [Jesus] ceased to exist? He couldn't use the body he was given since he he wouldn't exist to be able to do anything with it.

So what would be the point?
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myth-one.com wrote: At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.

Would those be the same beings that died in human bodies raised in different bodies, or two different beings? In other words is the person that is given a spiritual body the same person that died or are they two different persons/beings.
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myth-one.com wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
Is God the Father also "an immortal spiritual body"?
Yes.

So can an immortal spiritual body be made into a flesh and blood man?

myth-one.com wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:So immortal spiritual bodied beings CANNOT be made into a flesh and blood man?
Sure they can.
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myth-one.com wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
myth-one.com wrote: [Replying to post 268 by JehovahsWitness]
The Word is an immortal spiritual body.

For about 33 years of that immortality, the man Jesus Christ existed also.

Both existed during that 33 years.

And did both (two) exist after the 33 years? If not which of the two no longer exists?
The physical bodied one.

Which of the two was made flesh THE WORD or JESUS?
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Checkpoint wrote:
myth-one.com wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
myth-one.com wrote: [Replying to post 268 by JehovahsWitness]
The Word is an immortal spiritual body.

For about 33 years of that immortality, the man Jesus Christ existed also.

Both existed during that 33 years.
Is God the Father also "an immortal spiritual body"?
Yes.
God raised the man Jesus from the dead with the immortal spiritual body he showed to his disciples.

His existence did not end at 33 but was made eternal by his resurrection.
Revelation 1:

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and of Hades."
Jesus completed His mission as a man and will never have to do that again.

Thus He is alive for ever and ever. No more temporary lifes and deaths.

He lives forever as The Word.

Jesus or the Word now holds the keys of death & Hades. To those who believeth in Him -- He will grant everlasting life. Those who do not believe in Him will pay the wages of their sins by dying a second time, never to live again.
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JehovahsWitness wrote:
myth-one.com wrote: At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.

Would those be the same beings that died in human bodies raised in different bodies, or two different beings? In other words is the person that is given a spiritual body the same person that died or are they two different persons/beings.
The only difference would be the type of body.
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JehovahsWitness wrote:
myth-one.com wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
myth-one.com wrote: [Replying to post 268 by JehovahsWitness]
The Word is an immortal spiritual body.

For about 33 years of that immortality, the man Jesus Christ existed also.

Both existed during that 33 years.

And did both (two) exist after the 33 years? If not which of the two no longer exists?
The physical bodied one.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)
Which of the two was made flesh THE WORD or JESUS?
Here it is again:
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)
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