'Last Days' bible prophesy's

[William]

There is an ever increasing awareness of scientific data pointing to the conclusion that humanity is causing the planet to warm up due to the manner in which we have been and still are living and consuming resources on the planet.

While there is still a lot of debate about whether or not it is actually happening, and to what extent the damage will be if it is indeed happening, I am wondering if those who claim it is not happening are doing so because it is against their Christian beliefs as to how the world will end, and thus - Christians being the greater percentage of the western worlds population, this denial is why there is not far more effort placed in doing something about the problem.

Q: Does the bible mention anything to do with the planets climate heating up as part of its last days prophesies?

Q: If not, then is the likeliest reason for many people - largely the Christian population - not believing in the climate change that many scientists are warning us about, the result of that?

[Tcg]

4: "The end the world is to be by fire..."

Since there is no mention of any biblical script to verify the above #4 claim, for now it can be placed in the 'irreverent argument' basket.

I'll be glad to make it relevant given you seem to be unaware of the contents of the Bible.

• 2 Peter 3:10 The day of the Lord will come as a robber comes. The heavens will pass away with a loud noise. The sun and moon and stars will burn up. The earth and all that is in it will be burned up.

Tcg

[William]

[Replying to post 4 by Mithrae]

Q: If not, then is the likeliest reason for many people - largely the Christian population - not believing in the climate change that many scientists are warning us about, the result of that?

No; a) it's much more obviously a political divide in opinions than anything along religious lines,

Are you forgetting that Christians make up a large percentage of the voters?

b) one could try to spin it as being a 'cause' of Christian opinions regardless of whether the bible said anything about climate change.

I am not interested in 'spinning' anything but want to know if belief in biblical prophesy trumps anything scientists have to say about "how humans will most likely end themselves." and how such belief would affect/assist outcomes.

If it said nothing about it, then "Christians must not believe in it" (which is wildly illogical);

It is not illogical that Christians who place hope in nonnegotiable faith (as per the script) would not believe in things they are told outside the bible, which might contradict biblical prophesy.

if it did speak about a warming world, then "Christians want it to happen so Jesus comes" (which is not much better).

DI mentioned in post #3 that;

The Bible prophesies that the Battle of Armageddon will be the cause of the end of the world.

Therefore it can be easily understood that Christians would not resist their governments spending vast amounts of TAX of military and weapons which would be far more useful being spent on solving climate problems for the sake of the citizens and the overall sake of humanity...and the reason would have to be because Christians are more interested in Jesus returning to reward them with heaven/a new earth than they are in helping to fix the present day problems which they themselves are also contributing to cause.

[Mithrae]

2: 2 Peter 3:17 . . . .


4: "The end the world is to be by fire..."

Since there is no mention of any biblical script to verify the above #4 claim, for now it can be placed in the 'irreverent argument' basket.

Pardon the typo, that would be 2 Peter 3:7.

All in all, apart from some straw-clutching, the arguments for there being any actual prophetic utterances in the bible to do with climate change are so far not very convincing.

Were you expecting otherwise? There's nothing specific about the black death either (though plenty of mention of plagues) and nothing about WW1/2 and the Cold War (though plenty of mention of wars). Those were not the end for humanity, and climate change almost certainly will not be either; even the fairly high-end impact estimates would suggest 'only' a few hundred million excess deaths, with near-extinction impacts having a tiny fraction of a percent chance of occurring.

Arguably our biggest risk of extinction or domination comes from the development of superhuman AI. But that's pretty far-fetched; no ancient person could have dreamed of the 'breath of life' being given to inanimate objects that take over the world

[1213]

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Q: Does the bible mention anything to do with the planets climate heating up as part of its last days prophesies?

Q: If not, then is the likeliest reason for many people - largely the Christian population - not believing in the climate change that many scientists are warning us about, the result of that?

This sounds heating up:

The fourth poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was given to him to scorch men with fire.
Rev. 16:8

But, perhaps it should not be taken to mean climate change. By what I know, climate has changed as long as this planet has existed. It is very probably that it will continue to change. I dont believe people can stop the change, even if they would give all their money to climate change preachers.

By what the Bible tells, people should take care of this planet, not ruin it, even if there is no climate change.

Yahweh God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen. 2:15

and to destroy those who destroy the earth.
Rev. 11:18

I also want to say. People claim carbon dioxide is bad. Currently the level is about 400 ppm. Plants dont grow, if it goes near 200 ppm and plants grow best when the level is above 600 ppm. Those who want to lover that level, basically want famine. I think it is quite evil and I hope they are not successful.

[ttruscott]

The Bible prophesies that the Battle of Armageddon will be the cause of the end of the world.

It is a logical fallacy to decide that the Battle happening near in time to the end must be the cause of the end.

The end is caused by the last sinful elect repenting so the postponement of the Satanic evil ones may end and the judgement may proceed. The antiChrist war is merely part of the impetus for their repentance.

[William]

[Replying to post 11 by Tcg]

I'll be glad to make it relevant given you seem to be unaware of the contents of the Bible.

Thank You.

2 Peter 3:10 The day of the Lord will come as a robber comes. The heavens will pass away with a loud noise. The sun and moon and stars will burn up. The earth and all that is in it will be burned up.

This has more to do with the subject of the eventual expansion of the Sun than it does with climate change. So -no-...but it does hint that 'the day of the Lord' won't be for a few billion years or so from now.

[William]

[Replying to post 13 by Mithrae]

Pardon the typo, that would be 2 Peter 3:7.

2 Peter 3:7.
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Reading on it appears to be from the same script as Tcg quoted, so my answer is the same, namely;

This has more to do with the subject of the eventual expansion of the Sun than it does with climate change. So -no-...but it does hint that 'the day of the Lord' won't be for a few billion years or so from now.

The climate change re OP is much more imminent.

All in all, apart from some straw-clutching, the arguments for there being any actual prophetic utterances in the bible to do with climate change are so far not very convincing.

Were you expecting otherwise?

Not really.

There's nothing specific about the black death either (though plenty of mention of plagues) and nothing about WW1/2 and the Cold War (though plenty of mention of wars).

Important events for sure. But they proved not to be the end of the world, or even the end of the way the world does things. This thread is specific to world ending biblical prophesy in relation to what scientists are saying about climate change as likely to make human extinct and why Christians might not believe it...because it is not written in the bible.

This does bring up and interesting point related to that. From a Christians perspective, as bad as something might be, IF it is not important enough to be mentioned in the bible, THEN it is nothing to concern oneself about.
Which of course swings back around to the observation that Christians by and large are not really interested in helping to fix the worlds problems, focused as they are on Jesus returning. Christians are more interested in Jesus returning to reward them with heaven/a new earth, than they are in helping to fix the present day problems which they themselves are also contributing to cause.

Those were not the end for humanity, and climate change almost certainly will not be either; even the fairly high-end impact estimates would suggest 'only' a few hundred million excess deaths, with near-extinction impacts having a tiny fraction of a percent chance of occurring.

So because your data say's it is not a world ending event for humanity, (only a few hundred million human deaths) there is no need to mention it in the bible?

Arguably our biggest risk of extinction or domination comes from the development of superhuman AI. But that's pretty far-fetched; no ancient person could have dreamed of the 'breath of life' being given to inanimate objects that take over the world

Ah - so now we get to an interesting point about the nature of biblical prophesy. If a human cannot imagine it, then it cannot be prophesied.

[William]

[Replying to post 14 by 1213]

The fourth poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was given to him to scorch men with fire.
Rev. 16:8

But, perhaps it should not be taken to mean climate change. By what I know, climate has changed as long as this planet has existed. It is very probably that it will continue to change. I dont believe people can stop the change, even if they would give all their money to climate change preachers.

By what the Bible tells, people should take care of this planet, not ruin it, even if there is no climate change.

One would have to assume then that millions of Christians must not be seeing that this is what the bible tells, because millions of Christians are actually contributing to the ruination AND giving their money to "Jesus will return and reward you with heaven/a new earth" preachers.

[polonius]

[Replying to post 18 by William]

RESPONSE: Perhaps they are not reality oriented

[polonius]

[quote="polonius"]
[Replying to post 18 by William]

William wrote: [quote] One would have to assume then that millions of Christians must not be seeing that this is what the bible tells, because millions of Christians are actually contributing to the ruination AND giving their money to "Jesus will return and reward you with heaven/a new earth" preachers.[/quote}

RESPONSE: Perhaps they don't belief the Bible is reality oriented on this point?