The Inner Circle

[William]

Matthew: We went to Jesus and asked him, Why do you speak to the public in parables?

He replied;

Jesus: Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven will be given even more knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, in abundance.
Whoever does not have the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, whatever it is that they have, will be taken from them.

This is the reason why to those who are ignorant of the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, I speak in parables:

Though seeing, they do not see.
Though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

William: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?

Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?

[1213]

1213: I think it doesnt mean Bible is insufficient, it means it is like coded message to whom it is meant for.

William: How you get that from the story, you have not said...

The story tells that Jesus used parables, they are like coded message.

Why do you think the Bible would need to be 'encoded' when Jesus wasn't pointing anyone to believe in the Bible but to believe in the Father and

Jesus told he speaks what the Father had commanded him to speak and the words are written in the Bible. If you believe what God says in the Bible, you believe also God.

[William]

William: Why do you think the Bible would need to be 'encoded' when Jesus wasn't pointing anyone to believe in the Bible but to believe in the Father and connect with The Father through the Holy Spirit - to learn of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven?


1213:Jesus told he speaks what the Father had commanded him to speak and the words are written in the Bible.

William: The point you and many Christians seem to be having difficulty acknowledging is that the greater percentage of what Jesus had to say about The Father and The Knowledge of the Secrets of The Kingdom of Heaven and no doubt many other things, are NOT recorded in the Bible.
To acquire such knowledge, one will have to explore and find elsewhere.


1213:If you believe what God says in the Bible, you believe also God.

William: And what of The Knowledge of the Secrets of The Kingdom of Heaven?
Many Christians do not seem to understand that just because there is written testament regarding Jesus in the Bible, is no excuse for giving the Bible a title which Jesus gave to himself.
"THE WORD OF GOD"
It is not 'the bible' which told us so. That is simply the place we find a tiny fraction of the words Jesus spoke, have been recorded.

When people call the bible 'The Word of God', then they block out anything else Jesus might want them to know, because they falsely reason together that "If it isn't in the book we call 'The Word of GOD' then it isn't true" and they have a relationship with a book, believing through that conflation, that this somehow gives them relationship with The Father, and knowledge about the Secrets of The Kingdom of Heaven.

Yet clearly it does not, because clearly it cannot.
Jesus didn't say we would come to The Knowledge of The Father and the Secrets of The Kingdom of Heaven, through a book

Why is that so difficult for many Christians to acknowledge and agree with?

[1213]

Jesus didn't say we would come to The Knowledge of The Father and the Secrets of The Kingdom of Heaven, through a book

Yeah, but we can know them by the parables that are written in the Bible, if we have right understanding.

[William]

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William: When people call the bible 'The Word of God', then they block out anything else Jesus might want them to know, because they falsely reason together that "If it isn't in the book we call 'The Word of GOD' then it isn't true" and they have a relationship with a book, believing through that conflation, that this somehow gives them relationship with The Father, and knowledge about the Secrets of The Kingdom of Heaven.

Yet clearly it does not, because clearly it cannot.
Jesus didn't say we would come to The Knowledge of The Father and the Secrets of The Kingdom of Heaven, through a book

Why is that so difficult for many Christians to acknowledge and agree with?

1213: Yeah, but we can know them by the parables that are written in the Bible, if we have right understanding.

William: This 'right understanding' is not found in the book.
Why is that so difficult for many Christians to acknowledge and agree with?

[Avoice]

Im not so sure why they call themselves prisoners in Christ. That doesn't set well with me. Epecially when we are told on two separate occasions that we should pray for them. That God should allow them a window of utterance to tell us the mystery of jesus. As he OUGHT to do he said.
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'Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds. That I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak."
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IN EPHESIANS HE PRECEDES HIS PLEA FOR US TO PRAY BY FIRST TELLING US ABOUT:
WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.
NOTICE NOW HOW JESUS ISNT INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU NEED.
GOD IS THE ONE THAT YOU NEED.
THE WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD
THE WORD OF GOD.
BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS

I wonder who could be a ruler of darkness or a wicked spirit in a high place


" For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.


Prisoners?
Wants to tell us something.?
Something important about jesus that he prays God would let him tell us.

What is it about jesus that he wants to warn us about? Something so urgent that he wants to tell us before we too are his prisoners / ambassador in bonds

One thing is certain: there is somethibg about the one called Jesus that you dont know. And people feel like they are no longer free Scary!!

[William]

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Avoice: Im not so sure why they call themselves prisoners in Christ.

William: Either consciously or subconsciously and sometimes unconsciously they registered that the are already prisoners of ruling-class deception.
Some people today even actively deny there is any such deception acting as an overall prison for human beings.

Avoice: That doesn't set well with me. Epecially when we are told on two separate occasions that we should pray for them.

William: We should also visit them in prison, feed the hungry among them etc et al. Let that sit with you for a time and see if it will help answer you concerns...

Avoice: That God should allow them a window of utterance to tell us the mystery of jesus. As he OUGHT to do he said.

William: What 'Mystery of Jesus?' Rather they were pointing to a sign which read "This Way TO The Knowledge OF The Kingdom OF The Metaphysical Universe" aka "Heaven".

Someone: 'Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds. That I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak."

William: Doors are symbolic of the hidden knowledge of the MU. Kingdoms are symbolic of the Realms of Kings.

Avoice: in ephesians he precedes his plea for us to pray by first telling us about:
wickedness in high places.
notice now how jesus isnt included in what you need.
god is the one that you need.
the whole armor of god
the word of god.
breastplate of righteousness


Someone: " For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

William: The author might represent someone who is knowledgeable in experiencing encounters with the MU, and in relation to encounters with the ways of Human culture and politics, is suggesting that the prisoners should gear up for some type of revolution...specifically a Metaphysical Battle.

Avoice: Prisoners?

William: Yes. Some are even homeless, while others sail the waters of the world in floating mansions.

Avoice: Wants to tell us something.?

William: No. Wants us to acknowledge for ourselves that this is the case, and then do something about it.

Avoice: Something important about jesus that he prays God would let him tell us.

William: It is a practical ability to examine all things and then hold fast to that which has proved itself 'good'.
Practical but not exceptionally easy...

Avoice: What is it about jesus that he wants to warn us about?

William: We do not know...we can only guess...but what would that prove?

Avoice: Something so urgent that he wants to tell us before we too are his prisoners / ambassador in bonds

William: I get the impression from your expressions, that perhaps you are attempting to imply something otherwise hidden.

Avoice: One thing is certain: there is somethibg about the one called Jesus that you dont know. And people feel like they are no longer free Scary!!

William: People are having a hard enough time understanding the broader idea behind "Free Willy"!

To be beside the campfire of the Inner Circle of Jesus, one has to abandon implying things from a position outside of that. Come closer so we can see you...

Avoice:I wonder who could be a ruler of darkness or a wicked spirit in a high place

William: One is unlikely to get a clear answer from the position of outside the Inner Circle...