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Matthew: We went to Jesus and asked him, “Why do you speak to the public in parables?�
He replied;
Jesus: Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven will be given even more knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, in abundance.
Whoever does not have the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, whatever it is that they have, will be taken from them.
This is the reason why to those who are ignorant of the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, I speak in parables:
Though seeing, they do not see.
Though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
William: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?
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It's always important to read verses in context. In this case, look at the parable Jesus told, that is, the one that prompted the disciples question re: Christ's reason for telling parables. It's the one about the sower and the seed in which he speaks about different people's reception to what he has sown in his ministry. Some seeds fall on rock and wither and die. Some fall on thin soil and can't put down roots and die as well. Some fall on good ground, but weeds rise up and choke the plants that try to grow. Lastly, the seeds fall on good ground and germinate and put down deep roots and grow tall and healthy, bearing fruit.
And this is how Jesus' ministry has been received -- people with stony hearts rejected it. Some with good intentions fell away and some started out well, but the "weeds" of the world choked them out. And then there are those who got what Christ said and did and followed him. They are the ones that thrived.
The key statement is the one about those who have been given more and those who don't have ending up with nothing. I'm not sure what version you are quoting, William, but I like this one better:
He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables (Matt. 13:11-13).
And then note that Jesus goes on and quotes Isaiah re: seeing, but not seeing, and hearing, but not hearing. The direct quotation is as follows:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’ (Matt. 14:15)
Jesus has conducted his ministry for three years at this point. There have been people who have seen his miracles and heard his preaching and, in spite of the evidence, they have refused to acknowledge him as Messiah and refuse to follow him.
So he is saying that those who have seen and heard and chosen to follow him will be blessed (given more) while those who have seen and heard and chosen not to follow him will not be (lose what they have). The former will reap the eternal while the latter will see everything worldly that they deem important slip away.
I'm sorry because I have written a lot to finally answer your question (Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?)
No, it isn't saying that the Bible is an insufficient device to make the gospel of Jesus Christ known to people. The problem isn't the Bible. The problem is the people with hard hearts who close themselves to God's truth. That's what it's saying.
And in response to your other question (Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?), again, the answer is no, there is nothing. The gospel is all there in Scripture, everything a person needs to know to receive salvation. We have the complete account. In fact, anybody who has added more to it (such as the Mormons) have committed a grievous error, one heartily condemned in Scripture (Gal. 1:8)
Bottom line: The verses aren't talking about deficiencies in the Bible, but deficiencies in the people who hear/read it and reject it.
And this is how Jesus' ministry has been received -- people with stony hearts rejected it. Some with good intentions fell away and some started out well, but the "weeds" of the world choked them out. And then there are those who got what Christ said and did and followed him. They are the ones that thrived.
The key statement is the one about those who have been given more and those who don't have ending up with nothing. I'm not sure what version you are quoting, William, but I like this one better:
He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables (Matt. 13:11-13).
And then note that Jesus goes on and quotes Isaiah re: seeing, but not seeing, and hearing, but not hearing. The direct quotation is as follows:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’ (Matt. 14:15)
Jesus has conducted his ministry for three years at this point. There have been people who have seen his miracles and heard his preaching and, in spite of the evidence, they have refused to acknowledge him as Messiah and refuse to follow him.
So he is saying that those who have seen and heard and chosen to follow him will be blessed (given more) while those who have seen and heard and chosen not to follow him will not be (lose what they have). The former will reap the eternal while the latter will see everything worldly that they deem important slip away.
I'm sorry because I have written a lot to finally answer your question (Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?)
No, it isn't saying that the Bible is an insufficient device to make the gospel of Jesus Christ known to people. The problem isn't the Bible. The problem is the people with hard hearts who close themselves to God's truth. That's what it's saying.
And in response to your other question (Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?), again, the answer is no, there is nothing. The gospel is all there in Scripture, everything a person needs to know to receive salvation. We have the complete account. In fact, anybody who has added more to it (such as the Mormons) have committed a grievous error, one heartily condemned in Scripture (Gal. 1:8)
Bottom line: The verses aren't talking about deficiencies in the Bible, but deficiencies in the people who hear/read it and reject it.
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There are a near endless number of reasons Christian theists give to explain why the Bible doesn't make sense to those who expect verifiable evidence for it's claims. This is simply one amongst the many.
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There are a near endless number of reasons Christian theists give to explain why the Bible doesn't make sense to those who expect verifiable evidence for it's claims. This is simply one amongst the many.
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Post #4William wrote: @
Matthew: We went to Jesus and asked him, “Why do you speak to the public in parables?�
He replied;
Jesus: Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven will be given even more knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, in abundance.
Whoever does not have the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, whatever it is that they have, will be taken from them.
This is the reason why to those who are ignorant of the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, I speak in parables:
Though seeing, they do not see.
Though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
William: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?
First: the 'BIBLE' is much larger than the gospels.
Second: There were Christians long before the gospels were written. Good history reveals that knowing the life of Jesus was not essential to the initial message about him: that was about his death, resurrection, and ascension.
Third: the secret message of Jesus needs to be read against the historical background of 1st c. Palestinian Judaism.
No one (worth their salt) will claim absolute knowledge: so certainly I will not. But one thing that stands out is that most Jews awaited some sort of big Bang experience: God would intervene in a cataclysmic way--in a way like he did in Egypt long ago, but bigger. And thus the nations suppressing Israel would be instantly subjugated.
Jesus did not believe this: he believed the kingdom of God would develop slowly. He felt (right or wrong) that the nation in the majority would not be acceptable to this idea. Thus he preached a message in parables, which only those who were ready to accept would understand.
Of course, we live 2,000 years later and his parables will seem obvious. That does not mean they would have seemed obvious to his audiences.
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Post #5liamconnor wrote:
Good history reveals that knowing the life of Jesus was not essential to the initial message about him: that was about his death, resurrection, and ascension.
"Good history", as if there were a moral component to history? What is "bad history", the realization that no one comes to life after they have died. I'd call that reality. Good history would reflect that fact.
Mythology supports the idea that there is life after death. History supports the fact that mythology is nothing but mythology and its absurd claims of life after death are nothing but absurd claims.
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I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
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Overcomer: It's always important to read verses in context.
William: Agreed.
I would even go so far as to underlying the situation by imagining it in my mind.
This is what all stories give us the ability to do.
The scene set before us is one in which we find ourselves observing Jesus and his Disciples out of the public arena - they have gathered away from the public and the Disciples are being schooled.
The Disciples are perplexed about the way in which Jesus chooses to teach when in public, which is such a different style of teaching than what they are used to from him, when in private.
Overcomer: In this case, look at the parable Jesus told, that is, the one that prompted the disciples question re: Christ's reason for telling parables. It's the one about the sower and the seed in which he speaks about different people's reception to what he has sown in his ministry. Some seeds fall on rock and wither and die. Some fall on thin soil and can't put down roots and die as well. Some fall on good ground, but weeds rise up and choke the plants that try to grow. Lastly, the seeds fall on good ground and germinate and put down deep roots and grow tall and healthy, bearing fruit.
William: The "Sower of The Good Seed" parable was not what "prompted the disciples question re: Christ's reason for telling parables."
Rather it was the fact that Jesus chose a different teaching method when in public than he did when in private. He taught the public differently than he did, his Disciples.
"Sower of The Good Seed" parable was simply one of the handful of parables mentioned.
The Disciples wanted to know why Jesus didn't teach the public the way he taught the Disciples.
They are asking Jesus "Why do you use puzzling terminology with the public but are so much more strait up and clear, when you speak with us?"
We have to remember that the Disciples saw something in what Jesus spoke with them, which they wanted the whole world to know...so of course they wonder why Jesus taught in this puzzling manner when in public...how is he to reach the public by using such a coded style of approach?
Overcomer: And this is how Jesus' ministry has been received -- people with stony hearts rejected it.
William: In Jesus answering the question, he basically said that the general public were those with the 'Stony Hearts'
It is not that the Disciples did not understand the parables themselves, after Jesus drew parallels but that they did not understand why Jesus used Parables.
Jesus answered them by saying that those with the "Stony Hearts";
Jesus: They are those who have no knowledge of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven
William: Yes.
But even the reader cannot know what "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" are which Jesus is referring to, unless the reader does have knowledge of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven.
The reader is told that the Disciples would have known what Jesus was referring to, because that knowledge had been given to them...or we can agree that this process of data transfer was an ongoing thing...point being, they had knowledge which the general public were not privy to. We are informed as to why the General public are not privy to the knowledge...short story...they are not interested enough...
Overcomer:The key statement is the one about those who have been given more and those who don't have ending up with nothing.
William: Which points to the idea that those who saw something interesting in what Jesus said in public, became part of The Inner Circle, because of that attraction, and were thus given more.
Those who did not receive what was given in public, end up with nothing of value in relation to "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven".
The KEY the statement focuses on, is "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven".
That is why the two OP questions;
Q1: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
John: I am one such disciple who testifies to these things and who has written them down. And all the Disciple know that his testimony is true.
There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose that not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written.
William:
Q2 Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?
The questions I ask are focusing on the KEY statement;
Jesus: The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven
Overcomer:
William:
Overcomer: It's always important to read verses in context.
William: Agreed.
I would even go so far as to underlying the situation by imagining it in my mind.
This is what all stories give us the ability to do.
The scene set before us is one in which we find ourselves observing Jesus and his Disciples out of the public arena - they have gathered away from the public and the Disciples are being schooled.
The Disciples are perplexed about the way in which Jesus chooses to teach when in public, which is such a different style of teaching than what they are used to from him, when in private.
Overcomer: In this case, look at the parable Jesus told, that is, the one that prompted the disciples question re: Christ's reason for telling parables. It's the one about the sower and the seed in which he speaks about different people's reception to what he has sown in his ministry. Some seeds fall on rock and wither and die. Some fall on thin soil and can't put down roots and die as well. Some fall on good ground, but weeds rise up and choke the plants that try to grow. Lastly, the seeds fall on good ground and germinate and put down deep roots and grow tall and healthy, bearing fruit.
William: The "Sower of The Good Seed" parable was not what "prompted the disciples question re: Christ's reason for telling parables."
Rather it was the fact that Jesus chose a different teaching method when in public than he did when in private. He taught the public differently than he did, his Disciples.
"Sower of The Good Seed" parable was simply one of the handful of parables mentioned.
The Disciples wanted to know why Jesus didn't teach the public the way he taught the Disciples.
They are asking Jesus "Why do you use puzzling terminology with the public but are so much more strait up and clear, when you speak with us?"
We have to remember that the Disciples saw something in what Jesus spoke with them, which they wanted the whole world to know...so of course they wonder why Jesus taught in this puzzling manner when in public...how is he to reach the public by using such a coded style of approach?
Overcomer: And this is how Jesus' ministry has been received -- people with stony hearts rejected it.
William: In Jesus answering the question, he basically said that the general public were those with the 'Stony Hearts'
It is not that the Disciples did not understand the parables themselves, after Jesus drew parallels but that they did not understand why Jesus used Parables.
Jesus answered them by saying that those with the "Stony Hearts";
Jesus: They are those who have no knowledge of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven
William: Yes.
But even the reader cannot know what "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" are which Jesus is referring to, unless the reader does have knowledge of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven.
The reader is told that the Disciples would have known what Jesus was referring to, because that knowledge had been given to them...or we can agree that this process of data transfer was an ongoing thing...point being, they had knowledge which the general public were not privy to. We are informed as to why the General public are not privy to the knowledge...short story...they are not interested enough...
Overcomer:The key statement is the one about those who have been given more and those who don't have ending up with nothing.
William: Which points to the idea that those who saw something interesting in what Jesus said in public, became part of The Inner Circle, because of that attraction, and were thus given more.
Those who did not receive what was given in public, end up with nothing of value in relation to "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven".
The KEY the statement focuses on, is "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven".
That is why the two OP questions;
Q1: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
John: I am one such disciple who testifies to these things and who has written them down. And all the Disciple know that his testimony is true.
There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose that not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written.
William:
Q2 Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?
The questions I ask are focusing on the KEY statement;
Jesus: The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven
Overcomer:
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Post #8@
liamconnor: First: the 'BIBLE' is much larger than the gospels.
William: Like - Jesus is the Word of GOD, not the Bible.
liamconnor: Second: There were Christians long before the gospels were written. Good history reveals that knowing the life of Jesus was not essential to the initial message about him: that was about his death, resurrection, and ascension.
William: I agree that there were Christians long before the Bible existed in its present form.
That too, appears not to be dressing the OPQs.
How does knowledge of Jesus' death, resurrection, and ascension give the reader "Knowledge of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven"?
liamconnor: Third: the secret message of Jesus needs to be read against the historical background of 1st c. Palestinian Judaism.
William: This should be interesting....
liamconnor: No one (worth their salt) will claim absolute knowledge: so certainly I will not.
William: So you are saying what exactly? That your ignorance which allows you not to have 'absolute knowledge' somehow makes you 'worth your salt'?
That seems to verify that what Jesus was saying about those who have little, (salt in this case) even their salt will be taken from them.
And where in the data do we read Jesus saying such?
Jesus: I mentioned nothing of absolute Knowledge of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven".
liamconnor: But one thing that stands out is that most Jews awaited some sort of big Bang experience: God would intervene in a cataclysmic way--in a way like he did in Egypt long ago, but bigger. And thus the nations suppressing Israel would be instantly subjugated.
William: It appears that perhaps this is why Jesus was rejected as the Messiah.
But then we have a clear indication that Jesus was more interested in teaching the individual through more secretive ways...not just because it was less dangerous for the individual, but because it was more fruitful for the individual.
liamconnor: Jesus did not believe this: he believed the kingdom of God would develop slowly. He felt (right or wrong) that the nation in the majority would not be acceptable to this idea. Thus he preached a message in parables, which only those who were ready to accept would understand.
William: He does not say this to his Disciples when they asked him.
He said:
Jesus: Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
William: Also we do have a lot of evidence regarding how Jesus managed to infiltrate the nation in the majority (Romans) through a "slowly and surely" methodology and can follow that ripple effect up to present day.
But is this in itself any indication we are closer to The Knowledge of the Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven?
That is the focus of the OPQ's
liamconnor: Of course, we live 2,000 years later and his parables will seem obvious. That does not mean they would have seemed obvious to his audiences.
William: The point of the OP was to get answers to the Questions asked:
Your reply appears to avoid directly doing so, which is not useful to that focus.
liamconnor:
William:
OPQ's
Q1: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
Q2: Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?
liamconnor: First: the 'BIBLE' is much larger than the gospels.
William: Like - Jesus is the Word of GOD, not the Bible.
liamconnor: Second: There were Christians long before the gospels were written. Good history reveals that knowing the life of Jesus was not essential to the initial message about him: that was about his death, resurrection, and ascension.
William: I agree that there were Christians long before the Bible existed in its present form.
That too, appears not to be dressing the OPQs.
How does knowledge of Jesus' death, resurrection, and ascension give the reader "Knowledge of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven"?
liamconnor: Third: the secret message of Jesus needs to be read against the historical background of 1st c. Palestinian Judaism.
William: This should be interesting....
liamconnor: No one (worth their salt) will claim absolute knowledge: so certainly I will not.
William: So you are saying what exactly? That your ignorance which allows you not to have 'absolute knowledge' somehow makes you 'worth your salt'?
That seems to verify that what Jesus was saying about those who have little, (salt in this case) even their salt will be taken from them.
And where in the data do we read Jesus saying such?
Jesus: I mentioned nothing of absolute Knowledge of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven".
liamconnor: But one thing that stands out is that most Jews awaited some sort of big Bang experience: God would intervene in a cataclysmic way--in a way like he did in Egypt long ago, but bigger. And thus the nations suppressing Israel would be instantly subjugated.
William: It appears that perhaps this is why Jesus was rejected as the Messiah.
But then we have a clear indication that Jesus was more interested in teaching the individual through more secretive ways...not just because it was less dangerous for the individual, but because it was more fruitful for the individual.
liamconnor: Jesus did not believe this: he believed the kingdom of God would develop slowly. He felt (right or wrong) that the nation in the majority would not be acceptable to this idea. Thus he preached a message in parables, which only those who were ready to accept would understand.
William: He does not say this to his Disciples when they asked him.
He said:
Jesus: Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
William: Also we do have a lot of evidence regarding how Jesus managed to infiltrate the nation in the majority (Romans) through a "slowly and surely" methodology and can follow that ripple effect up to present day.
But is this in itself any indication we are closer to The Knowledge of the Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven?
That is the focus of the OPQ's
liamconnor: Of course, we live 2,000 years later and his parables will seem obvious. That does not mean they would have seemed obvious to his audiences.
William: The point of the OP was to get answers to the Questions asked:
Your reply appears to avoid directly doing so, which is not useful to that focus.
liamconnor:
William:
OPQ's
Q1: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
Q2: Do you know what it was that Jesus would have told his Disciples regarding The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven other than anything you presumably might have read in The Bible?
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Post #9I think it doesn’t mean Bible is insufficient, it means it is like coded message to whom it is meant for.William wrote: ... Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
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Jesus: Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven will be given even more knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, in abundance.
Whoever does not have the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, whatever it is that they have, will be taken from them.
This is the reason why to those who are ignorant of the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, I speak in parables:
Though seeing, they do not see.
Though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
William: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
1213: I think it doesn’t mean Bible is insufficient, it means it is like coded message to whom it is meant for.
William: How you get that from the story, you have not said...are you just saying that is what you think it is? What you think the bible is, is not addressing what the bible says about Jesus and what Jesus did which wasn't recorded in the Bible.
Why do you think the Bible would need to be 'encoded' when Jesus wasn't pointing anyone to believe in the Bible but to believe in the Father and connect with The Father through the Holy Spirit - to learn of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven?
Why is it that many folk would rather follow after items in a book, rather than connect with The Father?
Did The Father say that "This is my book, follow it?"
Jesus: Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven will be given even more knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, in abundance.
Whoever does not have the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, whatever it is that they have, will be taken from them.
This is the reason why to those who are ignorant of the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, I speak in parables:
Though seeing, they do not see.
Though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
William: Is it reasonable to take from this, that The Bible is insufficient a device to obtain "The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven" based on the fact that it does not contain much in the way of the things which Jesus taught his disciples in private?
1213: I think it doesn’t mean Bible is insufficient, it means it is like coded message to whom it is meant for.
William: How you get that from the story, you have not said...are you just saying that is what you think it is? What you think the bible is, is not addressing what the bible says about Jesus and what Jesus did which wasn't recorded in the Bible.
Why do you think the Bible would need to be 'encoded' when Jesus wasn't pointing anyone to believe in the Bible but to believe in the Father and connect with The Father through the Holy Spirit - to learn of The Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven?
Why is it that many folk would rather follow after items in a book, rather than connect with The Father?
Did The Father say that "This is my book, follow it?"
