The Bible God, the Law Breaker

[POI]

God is claimed to break "natural law" all the time, by walking on water, turning water into wine, raising the rotting dead, turning humans into salt, etc...

For Debate: Does God break all "law", or just some "law"? And if only some, why only some, and not all? Further, what is the point of breaking some "law", and not others? Or maybe, God breaks all "laws", which is why the Bible is illogical, immoral, and defies later human discovery?

Before you answer, a running theme is expressed among many theists... When a skeptic asks a theist, 'can God do anything?", the theist might respond with, "God can only do what is logically possible and/or what is in his moral nature". In essence, God strictly abides by some "law", but not others? By "law", I'm referencing natural law, the laws of logic, moral law, mathematics, and any others I may have missed. I trust you get the gist...?

[POI]

I know that was not your question

At least you admit it.

which no one can answer definitively, except God Himself.

Curious... Does god give you wisdom, or not? If he does, then you can answer. Ask him and then tell me. He's ignoring me. If you are unable, then the Bible is a lie, yet again -- (see below for details):

(Matthew 7:7), which states, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you".

(Proverbs 2:6) -- This verse is a direct statement on the source of wisdom: "For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding". Reading the Bible and meditating on God's words is therefore seen as a primary way to receive this divine gift.

(Psalm 19:7) -- This psalm highlights how God's law imparts wisdom, particularly to those who are simple or inexperienced: "The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple".

(2 Timothy 3:16–17) -- The New Testament affirms the benefit of Scripture for wisdom and righteousness. Paul writes that "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly furnished unto all good works".

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I ask, anew... Why does god break some law(s), but not others?

Why can't you address it directly to the Almighty God?

Well, if he isn't giving you wisdom, then why would I expect he gives me any?

Since the god of the bible is silent, wherever it counts, I'm asking YOU the question in red.

Do you intuit that since God breaks some laws, there is a possibility that He is not able to break all laws hence my question to my previous post?

Answer my question and then we can discuss -- as it relates to the rest of the OP.

[OneJack]

[Replying to POI in post #121]

Curious... Does god give you wisdom?

Yes!

If he does, then you can answer. Ask him and then tell me.

This is a case where God taught us that no one can command or tempt God on what He must do - it's a serious spiritual sin against God."

He's ignoring me.

You're overflowing with human wisdom, which is your number one foe in getting a close friendship with God. If you can ditch it all and come to God, calling on Him, there's a great chance He'll respond accordingly."

If you are unable, then the Bible is a lie, yet again -- (see below for details):

(Matthew 7:7), which states, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you".

(Proverbs 2:6) -- This verse is a direct statement on the source of wisdom: "For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding". Reading the Bible and meditating on God's words is therefore seen as a primary way to receive this divine gift.

(Psalm 19:7) -- This psalm highlights how God's law imparts wisdom, particularly to those who are simple or inexperienced: "The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple".

(2 Timothy 3:16–17) -- The New Testament affirms the benefit of Scripture for wisdom and righteousness. Paul writes that "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly furnished unto all good works".

So what if the Bible—which is just letters, ink, and paper—is a lie? Does that diminish or tarnish the nature of the Almighty God? I don't think so. However, your soul's destiny would be in great peril if you failed to reconcile with God.

Btw, the bible is not God, fyi too!

I ask, anew... Why does god break some law(s), but not others?

The more that you’ll be ignored for your stubborn mind, why don’t you get a general overhaul of your innermost being and then come back to God and ask Him yourself?

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #121]

Curious... Does god give you wisdom?

Yes!

Then answer the question.

If he does, then you can answer. Ask him and then tell me.

This is a case where God taught us that no one can command or tempt God on what He must do - it's a serious spiritual sin against God."

You gave a resounding 'yes!', in regard to god giving you wisdom. Now you are severely backtracking.

He's ignoring me.

You're overflowing with human wisdom, which is your number one foe in getting a close friendship with God. If you can ditch it all and come to God, calling on Him, there's a great chance He'll respond accordingly."

Great unfalsifiable answer. Meaning, if my (thoughts/logic/conclusions) conflict with what the Bible states or teaches, I'm just a flawed human.

If you are unable, then the Bible is a lie, yet again -- (see below for details):

(Matthew 7:7), which states, "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you".

(Proverbs 2:6) -- This verse is a direct statement on the source of wisdom: "For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding". Reading the Bible and meditating on God's words is therefore seen as a primary way to receive this divine gift.

(Psalm 19:7) -- This psalm highlights how God's law imparts wisdom, particularly to those who are simple or inexperienced: "The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple".

(2 Timothy 3:16–17) -- The New Testament affirms the benefit of Scripture for wisdom and righteousness. Paul writes that "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly furnished unto all good works".

So what if the Bible—which is just letters, ink, and paper—is a lie?

Then you can ignore everything it says, as being true, just like some gnostic atheists do.

Does that diminish or tarnish the nature of the Almighty God?

Since the Bible claims it is inspired by god himself, I'd say "yes!"

I ask, anew... Why does god break some law(s), but not others?

The more that you’ll be ignored for your stubborn mind, why don’t you get a general overhaul of your innermost being and then come back to God and ask Him yourself?

You obviously have nothing to offer, in spite of the passage(s) from Matthew 7:7, as well as the others mentioned. Which must mean, according to your own assertion, that "you're overflowing with human wisdom, which is your number one foe in getting a close friendship with God. If you can ditch it all and come to God, calling on Him, there's a great chance He'll respond accordingly."

[OneJack]

[Replying to POI in post #123]

Great unfalsifiable answer. Meaning, if my (thoughts/logic/conclusions) conflict with what the Bible states or teaches, I'm just a flawed human.

Not all in the Bible is true. Therefore, if your thoughts, logic, or conclusions conflict with the parts [in the bible] that are false, that wouldn't necessarily make you flawed, would it?

[OneJack]

[Replying to POI in post #123]

Since the Bible claims it is inspired by god himself, I'd say "yes!"

Your actions speak louder than words - you seem to trust the Bible more than God Himself when it comes to your daily walk of faith. But here's the thing: if you genuinely have mercy on your soul, even if it's just a tiny spark, you can still cultivate it and let it grow into something beautiful before your time runs out.

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #123]

Great unfalsifiable answer. Meaning, if my (thoughts/logic/conclusions) conflict with what the Bible states or teaches, I'm just a flawed human.

Not all in the Bible is true. Therefore, if your thoughts, logic, or conclusions conflict with the parts [in the bible] that are false, that wouldn't necessarily make you flawed, would it?

We're getting off topic really fast here. However, if you admit the Bible is flawed, then why not just chuck it all?

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #123]

Since the Bible claims it is inspired by god himself, I'd say "yes!"

Your actions speak louder than words - you seem to trust the Bible more than God Himself when it comes to your daily walk of faith. But here's the thing: if you genuinely have mercy on your soul, even if it's just a tiny spark, you can still cultivate it and let it grow into something beautiful before your time runs out.

LOL! Thanks for the (kind-hearted threat/sermon).

[OneJack]

[Replying to POI in post #123]

Great unfalsifiable answer. Meaning, if my (thoughts/logic/conclusions) conflict with what the Bible states or teaches, I'm just a flawed human.

Not all in the Bible is true. Therefore, if your thoughts, logic, or conclusions conflict with the parts [in the bible] that are false, that wouldn't necessarily make you flawed, would it?

We're getting off topic really fast here. However, if you admit the Bible is flawed, then why not just chuck it all?

Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem even if the Bible were completely removed from the planet.

[OneJack]

[Replying to POI in post #123]

Since the Bible claims it is inspired by god himself, I'd say "yes!"

Your actions speak louder than words - you seem to trust the Bible more than God Himself when it comes to your daily walk of faith. But here's the thing: if you genuinely have mercy on your soul, even if it's just a tiny spark, you can still cultivate it and let it grow into something beautiful before your time runs out.

LOL! Thanks for the (kind-hearted threat/sermon).

God bless you, POI!

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #112]

Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the virgin young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.
Butter and honey he shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good. For when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned.

You can't just stick the word "virgin" into a text which doesn't have it.

Sure I can. It's accurate. Excluding virginity from the verse, is changing the definition of the the word into a married woman or a whore.

Like all babes, he became a young child when knowing to do good or evil. By divine nature, He always chose to do good, and reject evil.

The text says that Rezin and Pekah will fall "when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good". That's not a description of someone who always knew to choose good and reject evil.

It is with someone who knew to do good and not reject evil from the beginning. The first conscious thought of the child Jesus on earth, was good. He's the only person that kept being and doing good without evil.

The two kings mentioned are Pekah and Rezin, the kings of Israel and Syria, and Isaiah is assuring King Ahaz of Judah that his enemies will fall during the early life of the child soon to be born. So the passage has nothing to do with Jesus, who wasn't born until centuries later.

Yes it does.

Mat 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Mary was a virgin that hadn't lain with Joseph, when she bore her firstborn son Jesus. She wasn't a whore.

There's no other Bible record of a son born of a virgin young woman.

There's no Bible record of a son born of a virgin young woman period.

Already quoted the Bible:
Mat 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

You can't strip the Tanakh of its historical context when it's inconvenient.

Tanakh prophecy does not strip Tanakh history.

In any case, by moving on to the usual denials of Jesus the Messiah, the argument about two different kinds of temptation, one in righteousness, and the other with lust, is conceded.

What's being conceded is that temptation in the wilderness would be of no merit to a Jesus incapable of being tempted. Being offered all the kingdoms of the world in exchange for one's worship isn't just enduring a hardship.

Have you so much as read:

Luk 4:2
And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

"No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it."
(1Corinthians 10:13)

Thus, there is temptation "common to man".

Sure. All natural bodies undergo natural extremities. Especially Jesus Christ come in the flesh.

Why would someone need a "way of escape" from a mere hardship or trial?

You've never been in a natural hardship threatening with death...