God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

[We_Are_VENOM]

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #131]

The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.

But Infinity cannot be measured so cannot be considered something which can be divided by any number. As a consequence there can be no such thing as an "infinite number"

I should have said an infinite number of divisions.

It won't make the problem go away. Perhaps "an infinity of divisions"?

Sounds about the same, but okay.

Okay. Because there is not an infinite number of any thing so even 'divisions' [which are something and therefore can be counted] are of no use...that is the problem with the OP argument.

My [ignored] Post #120 offers another way of looking at an infinite 'timeline'...

That post seems to posit time looping back on itself, something which we don't know occurs. I propose time is a linear, non-looping event.

[JoeyKnothead]

Because there is not an infinite number of any thing...

How about "infinite amount?" Avoids the word "number," more straight forward than "an infinity of..."

I'd adjust, amend, alter, append, stipulate, restate, reconfigure, change, adulterate, or otherwise relandscape my use of the word "numbers" to this new nomenclaturial paradigm.

[William]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #131]

The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.

But Infinity cannot be measured so cannot be considered something which can be divided by any number. As a consequence there can be no such thing as an "infinite number"

I should have said an infinite number of divisions.

It won't make the problem go away. Perhaps "an infinity of divisions"?

Sounds about the same, but okay.

Okay. Because there is not an infinite number of any thing so even 'divisions' [which are something and therefore can be counted] are of no use...that is the problem with the OP argument.

My [ignored] Post #120 offers another way of looking at an infinite 'timeline'...

That post seems to posit time looping back on itself, something which we don't know occurs. I propose time is a linear, non-looping event.

What I am saying in that post is that it can explain how the Universe can recreate itself so has a beginning and an end, which can be regarded as a 'cycle' and as such offers a better visual representation than the linear infinite line does. Especially when one end of that line has a beginning [the end where the sand is shoveled into it.

That post also shows how absurd the idea of a bottomless pit is in relation to infinite.

[William]

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[bluegreenearth]

So let me rephrase the question...if I were counting all of the segments in numerical order with ever step, and I stopped counting once I arrived at the street corner, which number would represent the "corner segment"?

Your first step traverses infinite segments between your starting point and the spot where you are standing regardless of the length of that single step. Therefore, according to your logic, how were you able to take a single step in order to have traversed infinite segments?

If I can traverse an infinite amount of segments, then I should be able to COUNT each segment that I traversed.

So how is it that I can traverse infinite segments with no problem with a single step...but I am unable to reach a single step if I count all of the segments between the first and second step?

That is my question as well. I don't know the answer. Do you have an answer? Regardless, though, we both seem to agree that you can arrive at the street corner despite having to traverse infinite segments to get there.

[William]

So let me rephrase the question...if I were counting all of the segments in numerical order with ever step, and I stopped counting once I arrived at the street corner, which number would represent the "corner segment"?

Your first step traverses infinite segments between your starting point and the spot where you are standing regardless of the length of that single step. Therefore, according to your logic, how were you able to take a single step in order to have traversed infinite segments?

If I can traverse an infinite amount of segments, then I should be able to COUNT each segment that I traversed.

So how is it that I can traverse infinite segments with no problem with a single step...but I am unable to reach a single step if I count all of the segments between the first and second step?

That is my question as well. I don't know the answer. Do you have an answer? Regardless, though, we both seem to agree that you can arrive at the street corner despite having to traverse infinite segments to get there.

I think the answer is simply to remove the segments as they only confuse what it is that infinity represents - not the stuff happening within it...but the concept itself. It cannot measure itself as 'segments' unless there are beginnings and endings [signifying a segment] Infinity must have to loop back in on itself in order to become infinite... to lose the segments...

[We_Are_VENOM]

That is my question as well. I don't know the answer. Do you have an answer? Regardless, though, we both seem to agree that you can arrive at the street corner despite having to traverse infinite segments to get there.

Nahhh, we dont agree...because I understand that infinity cannot be traversed, nor is it an amount that can be possessed (having an infinite amount of marbles, for example).

If i cant successfully count all of the infinite amount of segments to get to a single segment, then I cant traverse infinity to arrive at single segment (with one step).

If i cant do one, I cant do the other.

[bluegreenearth]

That is my question as well. I don't know the answer. Do you have an answer? Regardless, though, we both seem to agree that you can arrive at the street corner despite having to traverse infinite segments to get there.

Nahhh, we dont agree...because I understand that infinity cannot be traversed, nor is it an amount that can be possessed (having an infinite amount of marbles, for example).

If i cant successfully count all of the infinite amount of segments to get to a single segment, then I cant traverse infinity to arrive at single segment (with one step).

If i cant do one, I cant do the other.

Yet you are able to take one step and the additional steps necessary to find yourself at the street corner nonetheless. How do you explain this reality?

[We_Are_VENOM]

Yet you are able to take one step and the additional steps necessary to find yourself at the street corner nonetheless. How do you explain this reality?

This reality is explained by coming to the realization that infinity isn't being traversed with each step.

If you think otherwise, then my original question remains.

[bluegreenearth]

Yet you are able to take one step and the additional steps necessary to find yourself at the street corner nonetheless. How do you explain this reality?

This reality is explained by coming to the realization that infinity isn't being traversed with each step.

If you think otherwise, then my original question remains.

If infinite segments are not traversed, then how many segments are traversed with each step when each segment is half the length of the segment ahead of it?