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God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.

But Infinity cannot be measured so cannot be considered something which can be divided by any number. As a consequence there can be no such thing as an "infinite number"

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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:32 pm
We_Are_VENOM wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:22 pm
bluegreenearth wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:56 pm
We_Are_VENOM wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:39 pm So let me rephrase the question...if I were counting all of the segments in numerical order with ever step, and I stopped counting once I arrived at the street corner, which number would represent the "corner segment"?
Your first step traverses infinite segments between your starting point and the spot where you are standing regardless of the length of that single step. Therefore, according to your logic, how were you able to take a single step in order to have traversed infinite segments?
If I can traverse an infinite amount of segments, then I should be able to COUNT each segment that I traversed.

So how is it that I can traverse infinite segments with no problem with a single step...but I am unable to reach a single step if I count all of the segments between the first and second step?
Cause you'll spend all your time counting?

The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.
But yet I can traverse all of the infinite segments with one single step??
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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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William wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:37 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #131]

The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.

But Infinity cannot be measured so cannot be considered something which can be divided by any number. As a consequence there can be no such thing as an "infinite number"
I should have said an infinite number of divisions.
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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:02 am So how is it that I can traverse infinite segments with no problem with a single step...but I am unable to reach a single step if I count all of the segments between the first and second step?
JoeyKnothead wrote: Cause you'll spend all your time counting?

The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.
But yet I can traverse all of the infinite segments with one single step??
You can divide your single step into an infinite number of segments...

1/2 = .5, .5/2= .25, .25/2 = .125, and on and on so far out you'll fall asleep fore ya get anywhere near to the end of it.
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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:29 am
William wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:37 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #131]

The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.

But Infinity cannot be measured so cannot be considered something which can be divided by any number. As a consequence there can be no such thing as an "infinite number"
I should have said an infinite number of divisions.
It won't make the problem go away. Perhaps "an infinity of divisions"?

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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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William wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:21 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:29 am
William wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:37 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #131]

The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.

But Infinity cannot be measured so cannot be considered something which can be divided by any number. As a consequence there can be no such thing as an "infinite number"
I should have said an infinite number of divisions.
It won't make the problem go away. Perhaps "an infinity of divisions"?
Sounds about the same, but okay.
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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:37 am You can divide your single step into an infinite number of segments...

1/2 = .5, .5/2= .25, .25/2 = .125, and on and on so far out you'll fall asleep fore ya get anywhere near to the end of it.
So again, I can successfully traverse all of those segments (an infinite amount) with a single step with no problem; but I cant traverse those same amount of segments if I counted each segment one by one?

It makes no sense as to why this is accomplished in one instance, but not the other.

Thus, the absurdity.
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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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We_Are_VENOM wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:23 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:37 am You can divide your single step into an infinite number of segments...

1/2 = .5, .5/2= .25, .25/2 = .125, and on and on so far out you'll fall asleep fore ya get anywhere near to the end of it.
So again, I can successfully traverse all of those segments (an infinite amount) with a single step with no problem; but I cant traverse those same amount of segments if I counted each segment one by one?

It makes no sense as to why this is accomplished in one instance, but not the other.

Thus, the absurdity.
I was referring to the specific example presented, and make no claims regarding the difficulty of doing the counting. That said, I'd think trying to count an infinite amount of divisions'd take an infinite amount of time.

So what we get is the time it takes to take a step, let's say just a second. We could then divide that second into an infinite number of divisions, but in order to count the infinite divisions of just one second, we end up taking us an infinite amount of time to do it.

So yeah, you can move in time a given distance, and you can also take an infinite amount of time to add up the infinite amount of divisions about it.
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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:35 am
William wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:21 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:29 am
William wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:37 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #131]

The logic is sound, anything that can be measured can be divided by an infinite number.

But Infinity cannot be measured so cannot be considered something which can be divided by any number. As a consequence there can be no such thing as an "infinite number"
I should have said an infinite number of divisions.
It won't make the problem go away. Perhaps "an infinity of divisions"?
Sounds about the same, but okay.
Okay. Because there is not an infinite number of any thing so even 'divisions' [which are something and therefore can be counted] are of no use...that is the problem with the OP argument.

My [ignored] Post #120 offers another way of looking at an infinite 'timeline'...

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Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible

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William wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:19 pm Because there is not an infinite number of any thing...
How about "infinite amount?" Avoids the word "number," more straight forward than "an infinity of..."

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