Eternal Hell: Yes or No

[nobspeople]

When I joined this site, I (erroneously) assumed a Christian (by popular definition) believes in Eternal Hell damnation no matter the denomination or lack there of.
That doesn't seem to be the case with some of you (some believe it to be a temporary punishment, or not at all, etc). So I ask:

Do you believe in eternal hell (or eternal damnation if you like) or not?

If you do, who goes there?
Are there exceptions (mentally challenged people, newborn babies for examples)?

If you don't believe, why not?

What brings you to that conclusion?

[heistrue]

I thoughts everyone knew Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell. In fact back in the day we uses to be called "no hellers" by our opposers as we stood out against the established churches on this issue long before it hellfire became a metaphor for separation from God.

Biblically when people die they return to the same condition they were in before they were conceived, ie they cease to exist. You cannot suffer and mental, emotional or physical angiush or agony if you do not exist.

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BIBLE "HELL", THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD and ...HELLFIRE TORTURE DEBUNKED

In Scripture, we are told about heaven and or hell. Well, eternity is a long time to be wrong and to be in a place such as hell. This is made even worse by discovering too late that paradise does really exist..
Why do people preach against Gods Word, ie; saying the opposite on Scripture..

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his

Beloved of God, the following are some of the religions listed by

John Ankerberg and John Weldon in Facts on Life after Death. Listed also is each group's divisive opinion about both heaven and hell along with its founder's quotations.

1. Christian Science, founded by Mary Baker Eddy, teaches that "there is no death." They believe that "heaven and hell are states of thought, not places. People experience their own heaven or hell right here on earth."

2. Edgar Cayce, a New Age prophet, said that "the destiny of the soul, as of all creation, is to become One with the Creator" and that no soul is ever lost.

3. New Age cult leader Sun Myung Moon of The Unification Church believes that "God will not desert any person eternally. By some means...they will be restored."

4. Mormonism, founded by occultist Joseph Smith, argues, "The false doctrine that the punishment to be visited upon erring souls is endless...is but a dogma of unauthorized and erring sectarians, at once unscriptural, unreasonable, and revolting."

5. The Love Family (The Children of God), founded by David Berg, views hell as a temporal purgatory: "The lake of fire is where the wicked go to get purged from their sins...to let them eventually come...out."

6. Unitarian Universalism confesses the following: "It seems safe to say that no Unitarian Universalist believes in a resurrection of the body, a literal heaven or hell, or any kind of eternal punishment."

The reality of heaven and hell is not contingent on our belief or disbelief. Heaven is a prepared place for prepared people. Hell is a prepared place for the devil and his fallen angels. It was not prepared for any human-being (2 Peter 3:9). However, God warns mankind - If youre following the devil and his fallen angels, you need to understand, that is where theyre going

also, each of believers MUST confess with our voice to witnesses publicly Romans 10: 6 Moreover, the righteousness grounded in trusting says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend to heaven?'" that is, to bring the Messiah down -
7 or, "'Who will descend into Sh'ol?'" that is, to bring the Messiah up from the dead.
8 What, then, does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart."l that is, the word about trust which we proclaim, namely,
9 that if you acknowledge publicly with your mouth that Yeshua is Lord and trust in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be delivered.
10 For with the heart one goes on trusting and thus continues toward righteousness, while with the mouth one keeps on making public acknowledgement and thus continues toward deliverance.
, yes indeed, the 2 issues that ALL cults do NOT preach and even condemn them to be mentioned are, SALVATION through Yeshua alone and Healing, this basically what Yeshua did the most of apart form preaching.
This is what ALL websites should also put forward...especially " religious " website...

[JehovahsWitness]

In Scripture, we are told about heaven and or hell.

Yes both words indeed can indeed be found in most English bibles. The problem however is that many have no idea what those words actually refer to in scripture. Biblically, heaven is the spiritual really where God lives, "hell", is the condition of non-existence to which all people who have died return and paradise refers to this our planet earth without the pollution and other problems.




JEHOVAHS WITNESES

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HEAVEN , HELL and ... PARADISE

[heistrue]

In Scripture, we are told about heaven and or hell.

Yes both words indeed can indeed be found in most English bibles. The problem however is that many have no idea what those words actually refer to in scripture. Biblically, heaven is the spiritual really where God lives, "hell", is the condition of non-existence to which all people who have died return and paradise refers to this our planet earth without the pollution and other problems.

Romans 14: 6 He who observes a day as special does so to honor the Lord. Also he who eats anything, eats to honor the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; likewise the abstainer abstains to honor the Lord, and he too gives thanks to God.
7 For none of us lives only in relation to himself, and none of us dies only in relation to himself;
8 for if we live, we live in relation to the Lord; and if we die, we die in relation to the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord -
9 indeed, it was for this very reason that the Messiah died and came back to life, so that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.

JWs always quote sentences in " part " lol,, eg; in Romans 14 they made the word " for " become a new sentence by using a cap " F ". This changes the context of the sentence to suit their lies.. They run from the truth..
JEHOVAHS WITNESES

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HEAVEN , HELL and ... PARADISE

[Paul of Tarsus]

The Bible does tell us why the lake of fire burns forever.

Lakes and fires are decidedly natural, physical phenomena. Lakes consist of liquid matter that has collected under the force of gravity and is contained within an impenetrable barrier. Fire is the result of the consumption of a fuel through chemical reactions that are exothermic and generate heat causing the gases produced to emit visible light. How is any of that consistent with a spiritual world where immaterial souls, presumably without nervous systems present in physical bodies, writhe and suffer pain for eternity?

The key to understanding the supernatural is to split the word into two words: super natural. Nature under the direct intervention of God is "super nature." Examples include the plagues on Egypt. Locusts and flies are natural phenomena, but when God controls them for his purposes they become super natural. So the damned consigned to the lake of fire are not really anything fundamentally different from "natural" living things but can exist in a state similar to that of living things in which pain is experienced.

[heistrue]

The Bible does tell us why the lake of fire burns forever.

Lakes and fires are decidedly natural, physical phenomena. Lakes consist of liquid matter that has collected under the force of gravity and is contained within an impenetrable barrier. Fire is the result of the consumption of a fuel through chemical reactions that are exothermic and generate heat causing the gases produced to emit visible light. How is any of that consistent with a spiritual world where immaterial souls, presumably without nervous systems present in physical bodies, writhe and suffer pain for eternity?

The key to understanding the supernatural is to split the word into two words: super natural. Nature under the direct intervention of God is "super nature." Examples include the plagues on Egypt. Locusts and flies are natural phenomena, but when God controls them for his purposes they become super natural. So the damned consigned to the lake of fire are not really anything fundamentally different from "natural" living things but can exist in a state similar to that of living things in which pain is experienced.

I have chosen Heaven thank you...

[1213]

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The Bible does tell us why the lake of fire burns forever. Consider Revelation 14:9-11.

Then another angel, a third, followed them, crying with a loud voice, "Those who worship the beast and its image, and receive a mark on their foreheads or on their hands, they will also drink the wine of Gods wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image and for anyone who receives the mark of its name."

I'm not sure how this passage could be any clearer that the damned are tormented forever in fire. What part of it don't you understand?
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They may burn forever, but it is not the same as they are living and feeling forever.

[Paul of Tarsus]

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The Bible does tell us why the lake of fire burns forever. Consider Revelation 14:9-11.

Then another angel, a third, followed them, crying with a loud voice, "Those who worship the beast and its image, and receive a mark on their foreheads or on their hands, they will also drink the wine of Gods wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image and for anyone who receives the mark of its name."

I'm not sure how this passage could be any clearer that the damned are tormented forever in fire. What part of it don't you understand?
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They may burn forever, but it is not the same as they are living and feeling forever.

If the damned are tormented and have no rest, then they would need to have consciousness of some sort. They might not live in the normal sense of the word, but they are able to experience torment.

[Diagoras]

Nature under the direct intervention of God is "super nature." Examples include the plagues on Egypt.

How would one then determine whether some modern phenomenon - an unusual storm, for example - was super natural?

How is this different from saying, "If we havent got an adequate natural explanation for something, then it must be the case that Gods involved somehow."?

[Paul of Tarsus]

Nature under the direct intervention of God is "super nature." Examples include the plagues on Egypt.

How would one then determine whether some modern phenomenon - an unusual storm, for example - was super natural?

A natural phenomenon like a storm lacks a specific, revealed purpose. The storm just results from the chaotic atmosphere. If a natural phenomenon is super natural, on the other hand, it is under God's direct control. He intends to do something with that natural phenomenon. Now, God's purpose in such situations may not be obvious, but he very often reveals that purpose to some individuals who tell others of that purpose.

How is this different from saying, "If we havent got an adequate natural explanation for something, then it must be the case that Gods involved somehow."?

Again, God often reveals his involvement with the natural.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to Paul of Tarsus in post #30]

but he very often reveals that purpose to some individuals who tell others of that purpose.

'Often' denotes a manner which isn't consistent, or sometimes not at all.
We'd also need a way to verify these few people - how do we determine if they're legit or some kind of 'there's a flying saucer waiting for us' cult leader?

God's purpose in such situations may not be obvious

It could also mean there is no reason (aka random)?

Again, God often reveals his involvement with the natural

Or, maybe, this is simply a way for believers to make excuses for why things happen?
Headaches were once thought to be demons; a supernatural reason for a natural issue. Many would challenge the above quote as being logical.