According to Pat Robinson (unfortunately there's no Grimm Reaper smilie available) Russia is being used by god to fulfill prophecy (who god can't do its own dirty work is another raging question, but it's not the first time we hear this from biblical 'know-it-alls' like patty).
It's worth noting, about good, ancient patty:
Robertson, who turns 92 this month, is a serial doomsday cheerleader: in the 1970s, he predicted a 1982 ending, the 1990s, he predicted a 2007 ending, 2020, he predicted Donald Trump would win reelection ― “without question” ― and it would lead to the end. (In that case, it wasn’t a war that would end the world, as he is currently predicting, but something a lot more natural, like an asteroid.)
Thank you for being so respectful of the beliefs of others too ... Yes, we do indeed see the anglo-american world power as the modern day "king of the south"and Russia and its allies as the "King of the North"
Today the king of the North is Russia and its allies
And when that doesn't pan out, you'll forget all about it and find prophecy being fulfilled in some other events down the line. I've seen it far too often to be fooled with this prophecy - stuff any more.
Thank you for being so respectful of the beliefs of others too ... Yes, we do indeed see the anglo-american world power as the modern day "king of the south"and Russia and its allies as the "King of the North" Today the king of the North is Russia and its allies
Yeah, it was "open minded" of me to watch the video, but lets see if JW's are so open minded..
So, I have a video that I'd like you to watch...will you watch the video?? Are you open minded?
Now, as far as the video in question is concerned...it is quite shameful, actually.
Lets break down a small piece the video..
"In the late 1800's, the German empire became the king of the North".
My response: Says who?? The Bible does not say that the king of the North was Germany, nor does it hint as to who the king of the north is, nor does it say who the king of the south is...the narrator of the video just made a blank statement like that with no justification whatsoever.
But I get it, because Jehovah's Witnesses aren't free independent thinkers, and they will simply believe what the video says without even thinking to question the validity of what was said...because since it came funneling through the organization channels, it must be correct right?
Second, the narrative of the king of the north/south thing started at verse 5, but the video skips verses 5-24 and lands directly on verse 25...all of that important information was left out.
Why?
Then the video said..
"Who became the king of the South? [Answer]: The alliance between Britain, and the United States"
My response: Since when did Anglo America become referred to as the "South"?
This is just ridiculous...and I try to be as respectful as I can, but when I continue to be deliberately deceived by people who claim to be "God's organization"...it difficult to remain in Christ-like frame.
Within 30 seconds of the video, I am being lied to. No other way around it.
Daniel 11 has nothing to do with the Russia/Ukraine conflict, ok? Please stop spreading falsehoods to the public.
alexxcJRO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:21 am
There is also the problem of the quality of news one is bombarded with.
The propaganda and bad way of doing news is well present in west media too. Its hard to know what details are real and what details are not.
Antena 3(affiliated with CNN) which is among the biggest media group in my country for example has propagated many times stories which were ridiculously distortions of reality.
One example is when they presented allege footage of a Ukrainian air defense system shooting down an Russian fighter plane as real when in fact the footage was from a video game called Arma 3. A great and famous defense & intelligence analyst and a general were present in the studio commenting.
Agreed - it's a huge problem. When you consider that actually getting truly independent reporters into a war zone is already a stretch, then the sheer pace of change, across many different battleground sites, makes it near impossible to keep up, let alone verify the information given.
I've been keeping tabs on the Russian invasion by checking this particular thread on a well-reputed message board. While it's not immune to linking to 'news' like that you mentioned, there are enough intelligent people willing to fact-check and question most things, which certainly helps. You get rather a lot of tangential speculation and opinion thrown into the mix as well, but overall gives as realistic a view as you could expect about what's actually happening (IMHO).
We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:08 pm My response: ... The Bible does not say that the king of the North was Germany...
No, that is called an interpretation.
WHAT IS BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION?
Interpretation is the action of explaining the meaning of something. Biblical interpretation is when bible scholars take a verse (ie specific words) and use other words to explain what they believe to be the meaning the author is conveying.
To illustrate: Jesus said "my sheep will hear my voice" these words can be interpreted to mean "his disciples will follow/obey him" of course Jesus didn't say those words, they are not in the bible, the different words, replacing the Word "sheep" with "disciples" ect is the given INTERPRETATION.
In short, when using exactly the same words its called reading or quoting, when using different words its called paraphrasing or explaining.
The Bible does not say that the sheep are disciples ...
The Bible does not say that the king of the North was Germany...
Not everybody agrees with any given biblical interpretation. (It is not a question of being "lied to" it is simply a matter of disagreeing). That said, most people can recognise an interpretation when thesy see them and know that by definition the explanation will entail using different words.
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We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:08 pm
...because Jehovah's Witnesses aren't free independent thinkers, and they will simply believe what the video says without even thinking to question the validity of what was said...because since it came funneling through the organization channels, it must be correct right?
Ad hominem aside, the video is a very brief overview of our present beliefs regarding the interpretation of the parts of Daniel 11 we believe is being fulfilled in this our 21st century, designed for beginner non-witnesses. Its aim is (hopefuly) to arose the curiosity of its novice viewers ( some of which will be hearing the expression "King of the North" for the very first time), to investigate further, or at the very least ask some pertinent questions.
We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:08 pm
... the narrative of the king of the north/south thing started at verse 5, but the video skips verses 5-24 and lands directly on verse 25...all of that important information was left out. Why?
See above
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES SERIOUS BIBLE STUDENTS
Jehovah's Witnesses themselves have been analysing Daniels prophecies for over a century and have produced several in depth, verse by verse volumes of biblical evidence for their conclusions. Most JWs have individually spend many years even decades becoming thoroughly familiar with the justification behind our interpretations.
To see some of the material (including online lectures) on Daniel 11, please use the search box on our official website SEE EXAMPLE LINK https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Daniel+11
We_Are_VENOM wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:08 pm "Who became the king of the South? [Answer]: The alliance between Britain, and the United States"
My response: Since when did Anglo America become referred to as the "South"?
KINGS OF THE "NORTH" & "SOUTH"
The Prophecy in Daniel 11 gives the above biblical (not secular ) name to what seems to be a series of world powers. This is not because they are north or south of the equator or their geographical location in relation to each other, but because they are biblically associated with the nations originally situated to the north and south of the ancient nation of Israel during Daniels day.
For a more detailed analysis please use the search bar presented in the post above.
a very brief overview of our present beliefs regarding the interpretation of the parts of Daniel 11
Presently I am studying Hitler and the Nazi party which is fairly simply to do since it is a thing of the past rather than conjecture of the future.
Reading your words "our present beliefs" and knowing what I know about the 3rd Reich's failed attempt at ridding the world of non-Aryans, would it be presumptuous of me to think that - in that day - the JWOrg would have had then-present beliefs regarding the interpretation of parts of prophecy that "The King of The North" was Adolph Hitler?
William wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:24 pm
...would it be presumptuous of me to think that - in that day - the JWOrg would have had then-present beliefs regarding the interpretation of parts of prophecy that "The King of The North" was Adolph Hitler?
Hello debatingchristianity.com,
Thank you for your question. Since the internet did not exist back then and there was no jw.org (the name of a religious WEBSITE) I cannot answer your question. Sorry.
Jehovah's Witnesses (formerly known as the International Bible Students) have existed as a modern day religious organisation since the late 1800s, and Jehovahs Witnesses (often abbreviated to >> JWs) have for a long time published their understanding of various prophecies.
(unfortunately there's no Grimm Reaper smilie available) Russia is being used by god to fulfill prophecy (who god can't do its own dirty work is another raging question, but it's not the first time we hear this from biblical 'know-it-alls' like patty).
