Easter Traditions?

Post by **Tcg** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:56 pm

Are there any Easter Traditions that are related specifically to Jesus' resurrection? The Easter eggs hunts, bunnies and pastel-colored candies seem to be a celebration of spring. Certainly, sermons will be preached on Jesus' resurrection, but are there any Easter Traditions that Christians practice with their families that are focused on Jesus?

Tcg

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:46 pm

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:31 pm
Can you blame me if I thought you were arguing for a specific special feast on the Friday the priests had to stay clean for rather than meaning the whole week or bread -feast?

I'm not blaming you, I am just correcting you. It is best not to try and paraphrase or summarize my position, I usually do that myself, just quote me and (again) if you are not sure why I post a supporting text or are unclear about my argument, just ask.

JW

TRANSPONDER · Post by **TRANSPONDER** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:54 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:46 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:31 pm
Can you blame me if I thought you were arguing for a specific special feast on the Friday the priests had to stay clean for rather than meaning the whole week or bread -feast?
I'm not blaming you, I am just correcting you. It is best not to try and paraphrase or summarize my position, I usually do that myself, just quote me and (again) if you are not sure why I post a supporting text or are unclear about my argument, just ask.

JW

I beg your pardon, I'm correcting you - you were the one to say that you never argued for a separate second feast and it certainly looks like you did just that and DID NOT correct me when I thought that was what we were talking about. So don't you try to pretend that I'm the one who needs correction here.

Oh and I still want to know why you thought was wrong with my chronology to justify you dismissing it without explanation. I suggest that you address that rather than try to score irrelevant and invalid points off me.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:55 pm

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:19 pm
Except I'd still like to know why you denied my chronology and what was wrong with it.

Your post (#212) is rather confusing to me but what I can gather (please correct me if I am wrong) but you seem to be proposing the Sedar meal* was held on Nisan 15. I do not believe that is correct as scripture and the historical record is fairly clear that in the first century at least it was held on the 14th. We know that the narratives have Jesus eat and died on the day before the Sabbath so it must have been Friday 14th (not Friday 15th).

*Let me be clear I am referring to the Sedar meal when everyone (PRIEST or "layman") eat the Passover lamb.

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JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:06 pm

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:19 pm. ... you only have to say that you don't think that John means a particular separate feast on the Friday that they have to stay 'clean' for and we are done.

Post #131

WHEN WAS THE FESTIVAL OF UNLEAVEN BREAD /CAKES?

LEVITICUS 23:5, 6

“‘On the 15th day of this month is the Festival of Unleavened Bread to Jehovah. Seven days you should eat unleavened bread

Post #213

JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:21 pm
The festival didn't incorportae "one" singular offering, there were many. The grain, sin and guilt offerings had portions reserved for the priests to eat. For further information regarding eating during the 7 day festival, please read the full entry of aforementioned post #87

Post #218

JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:01 pmIt's not a second Passover (or a second Passover meal) as if the Sedar lamb is eaten twice...it was (at least we can understand in the 1st century) "The passover" which comprised in Jesus day, of a family group based memorial meal followed by one of the three annual festivals.

TRANSPONDER · Post by **TRANSPONDER** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:55 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:19 pm
Except I'd still like to know why you denied my chronology and what was wrong with it.
Your post (#212) is rather confusing to me but what I can gather (please correct me if I am wrong) but you seem to be proposing the Sedar meal* was held on Nisan 15. I do not believe that is correct as scripture and the historical record is fairly clear that in the first century at least it was held on the 14th. We know that the narratives have Jesus eat and died on the day before the Sabbath so it must have been Friday 14th (not Friday 15th).

*Let me be clear I am referring to the Sedar meal when everyone (PRIEST or "layman") eat the Passover lamb.

I said i sweated over this and no, it still isn't right. Mind, I'm sure you said the 1st day was the 14th and the Sedar on the 15th. But leave it with me, I'll have to do it over.

Just to be clear, you posted:
Re: Easter Traditions?
Post #132
Post by TRANSPONDER » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:03 pm

Ok. So the bread is not eaten on the 14th but the 15th.

The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. The 15th day begins in the evening, after the 14th day, and the seder meal is eaten that evening. Passover is a spring festival, so the 15th day of Nisan typically begins on the night of a full moon after the northern vernal equinox.[39] However, due to leap months falling after the vernal equinox, Passover sometimes starts on the second full moon after vernal equinox, as in 2016.(Wiki)

so the chronology works like this.

14th Nisan, Wednesday. First day of Passover. Day of preparation. Paschal lambs killed in the temple.
15th day Thursday. Passover eaten. Seder, also Mazza (unleavened bread) feast. Last supper, Jesus arrested in the evening
Friday according to John 14th Nisan, day of preparation. Trial. Lambs slaughtered in the temple, Jesus slaughtered on the cross.
Saturday. Passover eaten, Jesus in the tomb.

We still have the contradiction between the synoptics and John.

So do you consider the bread feast started the same day as the Seder was eaten (15th) with the 14 the day of preparation (which is how I see it) and Not either Seder or bread -feast, or do you see the bread feast (for the rest of the week) the day after the Seder?

Ok. 14th Nisan Wednesday, 1st day day of preparation when the lambs were killed in the temple - which is what the synoptics say.

Thursday 15th Nisan starts as soon as it gets dark. The Seder (prepared the previous day, I suppose) is eaten this day. The last supper is late - in fact last thing before friday which starts when it gets dark
Friday 16th Jesus is arrested, grilled and in Jail all night.
Sanhedrin meets in the morning, then takes Jesus to Pilate. Trial Remember John says the priests could not be defiled to eat the passover and it was the day of preparation (though that could be for sabbath)

Crucifixion, Jesus in tomb last thing before Saturday 17th Nisan Nothing done on the Sabbath but at evening sunday begins, and they can prepare ointments for going to the tomb as soon as it gets light.

Are we in agreement here or do you want to propose some changes?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:31 pm

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm So do you consider the bread feast started the same day as the Seder was eaten (15th) with the 14 the day of preparation (which is how I see it) and Not either Seder or bread -feast, or do you see the bread feast (for the rest of the week) the day after the Seder?

No, I consider the "bread feasts" (not one feast but a week long series of feasts) as starting the day after the Sedar was eaten.

- Sedar 14th
-Bread feasts starting 15th

See post #91

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm ...with the 14 the day of preparation

Yes 14th was "the day of Preparation"

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm ...(which is how I see it)

Nice to finally agree on something.

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm ...... with the 14 the day of preparation (which is how I see it) and Not either Seder or bread -feast ...

I do not understand this part f your sentence so I cannot respond.

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm ...... or do you see the bread feast (for the rest of the week) the day after the Seder?

I see the bread feast beginning the day after the sedar

- Sedar 14th
- bread feast (starts) 15th

TRANSPONDER · Post by **TRANSPONDER** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:35 pm

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #236]

What? You are saying the 14th day of preparation was also the day of the Sedar when the Passover was eaten? I'll check that No, that has to be wrong.

.(Wiki)The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. The 15th day begins in the evening, after the 14th day, and the seder meal is eaten that evening.

I also read that the 14th was the day all leaven was chased out of the house. That looks like the day of preparation but I'll check that, too.This comes from a site called 'Ligonier' but it seems to confirm what I thought
Day fourteen of the Jewish month of Nisan is the Day of Preparation for the Passover on which the lambs are slaughtered at twilight (Ex. 12:5–6). The sacrifice occurs in the afternoon, which is the end of the day (Jews consider the setting of the sun as the beginning of a new day). Fifteen Nisan, which begins at sundown immediately following the afternoon the lambs are killed, is the actual feast day

I'd suppose that the Lamb was roasted on the day of preparation and sitting about all day before the last supper. It seems to suggest that the week long bread fest started the same day as the Seder - 15th. Thus the only day of preparation on the Friday had to be for the Sabbath, not Passover, which was not (on any evidence) a particular feast but the week long bread - feast. so whatever you found wrong I had to re -check my previous chronology.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:47 pm

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:35 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #236]

What? You are saying the 14th day of preparation was also the day of the Sedar when the Passover was eaten? I'll check that

.(Wiki)The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. The 15th day begins in the evening, after the 14th day, and the seder meal is eaten that evening.

I also read that the 14th was the day all leaven was chased out of the house. That looks like the day of preparation but I'll check that, too.

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TRANSPONDER · Post by **TRANSPONDER** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:50 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:47 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:35 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #236]

What? You are saying the 14th day of preparation was also the day of the Sedar when the Passover was eaten? I'll check that

.(Wiki)The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. The 15th day begins in the evening, after the 14th day, and the seder meal is eaten that evening.

I also read that the 14th was the day all leaven was chased out of the house. That looks like the day of preparation but I'll check that, too.

Check away! While you're at it you might like to check my RELATED POSTS

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None of that answers anything nor is any help. It's just confusing. My chronology as revised sets it out and agrees with sources online. If you see a problem with it, let me know.

P.s in necessary I can relate your links to my chronology, but it won't clarify anything even in your links are correct information.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:53 pm

TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:47 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:35 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #236]

What? You are saying the 14th day of preparation was also the day of the Sedar when the Passover was eaten? I'll check that

.(Wiki)The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. The 15th day begins in the evening, after the 14th day, and the seder meal is eaten that evening.

I also read that the 14th was the day all leaven was chased out of the house. That looks like the day of preparation but I'll check that, too.

Check away! While you're at it you might like to check my RELATED POSTS

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http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 68#p894168

None of that answers anything nor is any help. It's just confusing. ...

Well then feel free to ignore it.

JW