What has the Bible to do with reality...

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Namaskaram...

I think we are in fantasyland when the Bible say a man - Noah - lived for 950 years. Why do anybody think it is not just fantasy? Maybe a muslim can help? Do you buy this solution...



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From one of my favorite compositions.
A Viennese refugee who made the first Mahler vocal record back in 1927, Jascha Horenstein was so smitten with Das Lied von der Erde that, asked soon after on his deathbed what he would miss, he said: never being able to conduct this work again.

Thank you! I don't want to derail but Music along with history and atheist apologetics has been one of the biggest things in my life. I still go back to my former forum to post on the music section. I came here because ALL this forum is apologetics. But let me relate to the topic a bit. Of course, the church even more than the Court, was the patron of the arts perhaps up to the 19th century, and is still a traditional vehicle for musical forms. Quite a few (like Mahler, for instance (1) were not believers, but wrote music on religious themes, as musical forms, for example, Vaughan Williams' (Agnostic) 'Flos Campi' was on Biblical texts but it was about his later life love affair. Rimsky Korsakov (atheist) used a lot of religious touches as traditional music. If they can stand it, so can I, so play it again. Does it bother me that wonderful music like the Glagiolitic mass of the non believer Janacek or the 1610 Vespers (using a mix of church and operatic writing) set Christian texts? Yes, a bit. But about the same level of irritation when someone talks about god having produced flowers in the Cretaceous (or Jurassic) and the insects adapted to feed off and pollinate them. 'God' translates as the forces of nature just as the towering symphonic chorales of Bruckner translate for me as the human spirit.

In short. Religious feeling and tradition has a real role in art and ceremony. Or I might say Dogma, as Communism has its' artistic tradition too, though it is pretty awful. So much traditional Asian music is religious/ceremonial, but that won't bother any but the most extreme Christian any more than it bothers me.

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Namaskaram kjw47

I understand this...

Be prudent with all strong drink and dulling drugs; for you shall know that you yourselves must bear the full responsibility for the foolish, evil and wicked deeds that you commit when you lose control of your senses and of your will through carelessness or evil habits.

If you get drunk and do not sin then it is alright. I do not think it is good to be drunk every day. But once in a while, why not? I am here on earth and are enjoying life For inspiration...



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Gods view matters, not mans--Drunkards will NOT inherit Gods kingdom--See at 1 Cor 6:9-11 it says--That is what some of you were = past tense, they turned around and repented and stopped doing those unacceptable sins. Reasonings from this heart(Jeremiah 17:9) looks at it differently than God does.

But is that what God thinks or what Paul thinks? Paul does not really think Jesus was God, but God's messiah. Is he right? It's the old problem we find with Biblical cherry -picking: God's Laws are all important and should be nailed up in every courthouse and never mind the Constitution, but if it is not convenient, then the OT can be ignores as Jesus made a new covenant. So Paul gets waved about like God's word when convenient. Bit if he isn't, do we put it down to just his own opinion?

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Namaskaram kjw47

Christ (and God) has spoken here about drinking...

Be prudent with all strong drink and dulling drugs; for you shall know that you yourselves must bear the full responsibility for the foolish, evil and wicked deeds that you commit when you lose control of your senses and of your will through carelessness or evil habits.

Does it matter to you I will keep on getting drunk once in a while and have a good time with myself Can we move on and talk about my thoughts Post #29...

Your friend forever

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Yes we all use our free will on which path we walk.

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Namaskaram kjw47

I understand this...

Be prudent with all strong drink and dulling drugs; for you shall know that you yourselves must bear the full responsibility for the foolish, evil and wicked deeds that you commit when you lose control of your senses and of your will through carelessness or evil habits.

If you get drunk and do not sin then it is alright. I do not think it is good to be drunk every day. But once in a while, why not? I am here on earth and are enjoying life For inspiration...



Your friend forever

Waterfall

Gods view matters, not mans--Drunkards will NOT inherit Gods kingdom--See at 1 Cor 6:9-11 it says--That is what some of you were = past tense, they turned around and repented and stopped doing those unacceptable sins. Reasonings from this heart(Jeremiah 17:9) looks at it differently than God does.

But is that what God thinks or what Paul thinks? Paul does not really think Jesus was God, but God's messiah. Is he right? It's the old problem we find with Biblical cherry -picking: God's Laws are all important and should be nailed up in every courthouse and never mind the Constitution, but if it is not convenient, then the OT can be ignores as Jesus made a new covenant. So Paul gets waved about like God's word when convenient. Bit if he isn't, do we put it down to just his own opinion?

Paul was correct. Jesus is not God.

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[Replying to kjw47 in post #45]

Namaskaram kjw47

I understand this...

Be prudent with all strong drink and dulling drugs; for you shall know that you yourselves must bear the full responsibility for the foolish, evil and wicked deeds that you commit when you lose control of your senses and of your will through carelessness or evil habits.

If you get drunk and do not sin then it is alright. I do not think it is good to be drunk every day. But once in a while, why not? I am here on earth and are enjoying life For inspiration...



Your friend forever

Waterfall

Gods view matters, not mans--Drunkards will NOT inherit Gods kingdom--See at 1 Cor 6:9-11 it says--That is what some of you were = past tense, they turned around and repented and stopped doing those unacceptable sins. Reasonings from this heart(Jeremiah 17:9) looks at it differently than God does.

But is that what God thinks or what Paul thinks? Paul does not really think Jesus was God, but God's messiah. Is he right? It's the old problem we find with Biblical cherry -picking: God's Laws are all important and should be nailed up in every courthouse and never mind the Constitution, but if it is not convenient, then the OT can be ignores as Jesus made a new covenant. So Paul gets waved about like God's word when convenient. Bit if he isn't, do we put it down to just his own opinion?

Paul was correct. Jesus is not God.

Interesting. You realise that this is not Mainstream Christianity? But I agree. Paul linked Salvation to belief in the resurrected Man messiah. And arguable that was what he got from the disciples. A belief in a resurrected man who was Messiah.

But how could he be Messiah? He hadn't changed anything. The Romans were still in Charge. God's rule under His Messiah had not been established. Well, Paul and the Bible agree on that at least, Jesus will be returning to usher in the Last Days. Problem is that Christianity has changed that, too. Sure they have a last trump and graves opening, but there won't be any rising to be judged as Christianity teaches we get judged as soon as we die. Do you agree with Paul on that, too?

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Namaskaram kjw47

Christ (and God) has spoken here about drinking...

Be prudent with all strong drink and dulling drugs; for you shall know that you yourselves must bear the full responsibility for the foolish, evil and wicked deeds that you commit when you lose control of your senses and of your will through carelessness or evil habits.

Does it matter to you I will keep on getting drunk once in a while and have a good time with myself Can we move on and talk about my thoughts Post #29...

Your friend forever

Waterfall

Yes we all use our free will on which path we walk.

And we are responsible for being responsible. Not ghosts, Ghouls or hods to judge us after death. At most Human society and law to throw us in the cooler overnight if we get out of hand.

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Namaskaram kjw47

Today I will get drunk and have a good time with myself There are other and better books to read than the Bible...

https://carstenplougolsen.com/english-section/

But let us talk about post #29 and see if the Bible has something to do with reality For inspiration...



Your friend forever

Waterfall

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #45]

Namaskaram kjw47

I understand this...

Be prudent with all strong drink and dulling drugs; for you shall know that you yourselves must bear the full responsibility for the foolish, evil and wicked deeds that you commit when you lose control of your senses and of your will through carelessness or evil habits.

If you get drunk and do not sin then it is alright. I do not think it is good to be drunk every day. But once in a while, why not? I am here on earth and are enjoying life For inspiration...



Your friend forever

Waterfall

Gods view matters, not mans--Drunkards will NOT inherit Gods kingdom--See at 1 Cor 6:9-11 it says--That is what some of you were = past tense, they turned around and repented and stopped doing those unacceptable sins. Reasonings from this heart(Jeremiah 17:9) looks at it differently than God does.

But is that what God thinks or what Paul thinks? Paul does not really think Jesus was God, but God's messiah. Is he right? It's the old problem we find with Biblical cherry -picking: God's Laws are all important and should be nailed up in every courthouse and never mind the Constitution, but if it is not convenient, then the OT can be ignores as Jesus made a new covenant. So Paul gets waved about like God's word when convenient. Bit if he isn't, do we put it down to just his own opinion?

Paul was correct. Jesus is not God.

Interesting. You realise that this is not Mainstream Christianity? But I agree. Paul linked Salvation to belief in the resurrected Man messiah. And arguable that was what he got from the disciples. A belief in a resurrected man who was Messiah.

But how could he be Messiah? He hadn't changed anything. The Romans were still in Charge. God's rule under His Messiah had not been established. Well, Paul and the Bible agree on that at least, Jesus will be returning to usher in the Last Days. Problem is that Christianity has changed that, too. Sure they have a last trump and graves opening, but there won't be any rising to be judged as Christianity teaches we get judged as soon as we die. Do you agree with Paul on that, too?

Jesus changed many things. He brought a new covenant= Love, not Law. When he returns to earth here-Rev 19:11 big changes are coming. Gods kingdom rule comes with him. No mortal rule ever again( Dan 2:44)

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Namaskaram kjw47

Christ (and God) has spoken here about drinking...

Be prudent with all strong drink and dulling drugs; for you shall know that you yourselves must bear the full responsibility for the foolish, evil and wicked deeds that you commit when you lose control of your senses and of your will through carelessness or evil habits.

Does it matter to you I will keep on getting drunk once in a while and have a good time with myself Can we move on and talk about my thoughts Post #29...

Your friend forever

Waterfall

Yes we all use our free will on which path we walk.

And we are responsible for being responsible. Not ghosts, Ghouls or hods to judge us after death. At most Human society and law to throw us in the cooler overnight if we get out of hand.

Jesus and his bride( 144,000) will do the judging.

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #53]

Namaskaram kjw47

Today I will get drunk and have a good time with myself There are other and better books to read than the Bible...

https://carstenplougolsen.com/english-section/

But let us talk about post #29 and see if the Bible has something to do with reality For inspiration...



Your friend forever

Waterfall

Ask direct questions please. I don't open links.