Whites Go Away?

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Whites Go Away?

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Question for Debate: If all the white people moved to Mars, would it hurt anyone, even if they remained racist?

I think racists have, if not a good point, a good question, when they continue to wonder why POCs strive to come to majority-white countries only to be discriminated against.

The reason it's not a good point is because the issue is entangled with resources. People will go where resources are despite the political or social system, so you can't claim, as racists try to claim with this question, that POCs are heading into majority-white countries in order to exploit white guilt and gain by that exploitation, and we can't trust the incredulity that nobody would intentionally go where they're so harshly discriminated against and victimised. Because there is no control group of a majority-white area without disproportionate resources and prosperity, one cannot rule out the possibility that POCs come into an environment where they are victimised because they still expect an overall better life, which of course doesn't negate the discrimination or make it okay. People may move to locations with a high murder rate for some benefit that outweighs the risk, but that doesn't mean don't punish the murderers.

Seeking justice isn't suddenly some impropriety just because you are, overall, better off in the environment where the injustice exists. It might seem like looking a gift horse in the mouth, it might seem rude, but it isn't. The analogy is rightly closer to an abusive parent who claims that because they give their child so much, the child is wrong to report a beating. Even if he came from the house next door where he got worse beatings, no. No. Justice doesn't play quid-pro-quo games or ask that people sacrifice it to return favours. Justice is justice.

That's why I'm asking the hypothetical, and disentangling the question from resources. Imagine all the white people just move away, taking no or very few resources with them. They no longer have direct interaction with Earthlings; they are Martians now, and they're isolationist. They have their own media, and they advise Earthlings not to tune in, and in fact they encrypt anything broadcast that Earthlings might tune into, though of course it's possible to descramble if you're really intent on it; we'll say you can watch Martian TV with a black-market box developed for just such a purpose (they're expensive, because you must pay to maintain a satellite relay, so imagine about $250/month). Even if the Martians go full-on Nazi, railing to each other about how bad all the other races are and how great it is to be white, worst case scenario, most racist possible, does it even matter if they're all gone? Or does their existence in that racist state continue to harm those they discriminate against even while completely removed from those other people?

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Re: Whites Go Away?

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Purple Knight wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:57 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:41 amIf the question is just about "people's" racism, then why didn't you call it "Racists Go Away?" instead of "Whites Go Away?"
Well, other than it being my thread to title...

Do you disagree with the claim that people make the claim that all white people are racist? If not, if you understand that people make that claim, do you think every single person making such a claim is deliberately lying or do you think they believe it?
Believing something about someone doesn't make it true.

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Athetotheist wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:21 pm
Purple Knight wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:57 pm
Well, other than it being my thread to title...

Do you disagree with the claim that people make the claim that all white people are racist? If not, if you understand that people make that claim, do you think every single person making such a claim is deliberately lying or do you think they believe it?
Believing something about someone doesn't make it true.
I didn't ask that. I asked if people believe it, regardless of whether it's true. I think it's true, but I'm not asking if it's true. I'm asking if anyone believes it.

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Purple Knight wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:39 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:21 pm
Purple Knight wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:57 pm
Well, other than it being my thread to title...

Do you disagree with the claim that people make the claim that all white people are racist? If not, if you understand that people make that claim, do you think every single person making such a claim is deliberately lying or do you think they believe it?
Believing something about someone doesn't make it true.
I didn't ask that. I asked if people believe it, regardless of whether it's true. I think it's true, but I'm not asking if it's true. I'm asking if anyone believes it.
Then maybe you should start a poll.

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[Replying to Purple Knight in post #1]
If all the white people moved to Mars, would it hurt anyone, even if they remained racist?
Several billion people on the planet surely someone would be hurt.
I think everyone is racist in some fashion. Riding the world of a certain set of people won't erase racism IMO.
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