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I think you are ignorant to the fact your own sect of Bible had grave defects that needed to be repaired. I will quote a snippet from the preface found on the KJV Bible of 1971.Dimmesdale wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:18 pmYeah, that just shows how little you've read regarding Christian history. Christianity IS NOT "2000 years making it up as you go along." That is inaccurate. There is tremendous consistency regarding many doctrines of the Church that have remained unaltered virtually since the beginning, and find their logical source in terms of the Bible....brunumb wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:55 pm But we don't really have any Christian "truth". We have an ancient book of unverified claims accepted as truth on nothing more than faith. Dismissing all other "truth" as being up for grabs is really rather naive. You should trust science as far as it is demonstrably reliable. If you believe that the sun is not hot the flaw does not lie in the science.
This is not to say that all denominations agree. They don't. But to say that there is no unity at all is to be, well, tremendously ignorant of things like scripture and the history of Western thought in general. There are heresies nowadays that Protestants, (at least mainline Protestants), Catholics and Orthodox, would all unanimously condemn.
Of course, there are groups at the fringe of Christianity. Mormonism and Jehovah Witnesses come to mind. But they are not mainstream. When it comes to the basic, foundational doctrines, there is a great deal of consistency.
Your Bible had such serious defects it called for a major revision.Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation.
Dimmesdale wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:57 amI don't think Jesus necessarily went to hell after he died. He "descended into the heart of the earth" or something to that effect, (possibly poetic language), meaning he stayed dead for three days. What is paramount is I think his suffering on the cross, the three hours during which he cried "Father, father why have you forsaken me?" - that is I think when he experienced the real punishment from God.....Clownboat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:29 am Brunumb gave a philosophical objection, that Jesus didn't stay dead.
All I want to point out is that this objection can be answered, because Jesus "dying" need not necessarily be what brunumb had in mind.
Matthew 10:28 ESV
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Did Jesus lose his soul or his body in hell?
Dimmesdale wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:51 pmHow do you know it's wishful thinking? How do you know its "smoke and mirrors?" Isn't that simply your opinion? Why should I believe your speculations?brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:22 pmBad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. It may not seem fair, but that is just life. The justice that seems to be offered by Christianity is no more than smoke and mirrors. It might comfort some to believe that they can have their transgressions wiped away, or that bad people will get their comeuppance when they die, but in reality that is just wishful thinking at work.
