The kingdom of God.

[Checkpoint]

Some seem to think it is entirely future, while others give the impression they are always thinking of it as present, and to not be looking at the future in kingdom terms at all.

Jesus had much to say about the kingdom, including this:

Luke 16:

6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.

So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?

On what basis?

According to which scriptures?

[JehovahsWitness]

Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated. My questions are as follows...


....when Jesus RETURNS

a)


b) And what does Jesus do with Satan and the demons when he returns?

JW

My answers are:

a) Yes.
b) According to Scripture, this:

Matthew 25:41:
Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Romans 16:20:
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.

Revelation 20:10:
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Th

This is indeed the ultimate fate of Satan. But those scriptures do not say when this happens. Do you believe Satan will be destroyed* in the lake of fire

a) at the same time as all the goats on the occassion of CHRISTS RETURN
b) at some later time (after Christ's return does Satan continue to plaque mankind - 1Pet 5:9?)



* please clarify if you believe Satan is not completely destroyed in the lake of fire, ie that he is thrown into the lake but survives.


Thanks,


JW

[Checkpoint]

Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated. My questions are as follows...


....when Jesus RETURNS

a)


b) And what does Jesus do with Satan and the demons when he returns?

JW

-quote]My answers are:

a) Yes.
b) According to Scripture, this:

Matthew 25:41:
Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Romans 16:20:
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.

Revelation 20:10:
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Th

This is indeed the ultimate fate of Satan. But those scriptures do not say when this happens. Do you believe Satan will be destroyed* in the lake of fire
a) at the same time as all the goats[/u] on the occassion of CHRISTS RETURN
b) at some later time (after Christ's return does Satan continue to plaque mankind - 1Pet 5:9?)

a) Yes.
b) No.

* please clarify if you believe Satan is not completely destroyed in the lake of fire, ie that he is thrown into the lake but survives.

Thanks,

JW

No.

I've never even heard of that theory.

Who holds it, and why?

[JehovahsWitness]

Do you believe Satan will be destroyed* in the lake of fire
a) at the same time as all the goats[/u] on the occassion of CHRISTS RETURN

a) Yes.

So....

[ we are presently in the LAST DAYS. Satan's world exists under his rule and wicked people around: people are suffering. ]===> JESUS RETURNS: destroys the goats / destroys ALL human govenments / completely destoys Satan and the demons -----> [JESUS' PEACEFUL RULE ]

(a) Immediately after Jesus return (and the ensuiing destruction of the goats, *all* the governments and Satan and the demons ) are there ANY wicked people left on the earth?


(b) Are there any major events missing that need to be inserted in the chain of events above? If so, what is missing and where ?





JW

[Checkpoint]

Do you believe Satan will be destroyed* in the lake of fire
a) at the same time as all the goats[/u] on the occassion of CHRISTS RETURN

a) Yes.

So....

[ we are presently in the LAST DAYS. Satan's world exists under his rule and wicked people around: people are suffering. ]===> JESUS RETURNS: destroys the goats / destroys ALL human govenments / completely destoys Satan and the demons -----> [JESUS' PEACEFUL RULE ]

(a) Immediately after Jesus return (and the ensuiing destruction of the goats, *all* the governments and Satan and the demons ) are there ANY wicked people left on the earth?


(b) Are there any major events missing that need to be inserted in the chain of events above? If so, what is missing and where ?


JW

a) No.

b) The Judgment is missing.

As I have already pointed out, this will occur when Jesus returns at the last trumpet, on the last day.

[JehovahsWitness]

Do you believe Satan will be destroyed* in the lake of fire
a) at the same time as all the goats[/u] on the occassion of CHRISTS RETURN

a) Yes.

So....

[ we are presently in the LAST DAYS. Satan's world exists under his rule and wicked people around: people are suffering. ]===> JESUS RETURNS: destroys the goats / destroys ALL human govenments / completely destoys Satan and the demons -----> [JESUS' PEACEFUL RULE ]

(a) Immediately after Jesus return (and the ensuiing destruction of the goats, *all* the governments and Satan and the demons ) are there ANY wicked people left on the earth?


(b) Are there any major events missing that need to be inserted in the chain of events above? If so, what is missing and where ?


JW

a) No.

b) The Judgment is missing.

As I have already pointed out, this will occur when Jesus returns at the last trumpet, on the last day.

Please explain. Does Jesus return TWICE? Where does this "second" return of jugement occur in relation to the above? And what does he return (again) to do?




JW

[Checkpoint]

Do you believe Satan will be destroyed* in the lake of fire
a) at the same time as all the goats[/u] on the occassion of CHRISTS RETURN

a) Yes.

So....

[ we are presently in the LAST DAYS. Satan's world exists under his rule and wicked people around: people are suffering. ]===> JESUS RETURNS: destroys the goats / destroys ALL human govenments / completely destoys Satan and the demons -----> [JESUS' PEACEFUL RULE ]

(a) Immediately after Jesus return (and the ensuiing destruction of the goats, *all* the governments and Satan and the demons ) are there ANY wicked people left on the earth?


(b) Are there any major events missing that need to be inserted in the chain of events above? If so, what is missing and where ?


JW

a) No.

b) The Judgment is missing.

As I have already pointed out, this will occur when Jesus returns at the last trumpet, on the last day.

Please explain. Does Jesus return TWICE? Where does this "second" return of jugement occur in relation to the above? And what does he return (again) to do?


JW

Jesus returns once, not twice.

It is not a "second" return.

One return, and one day of judgment, leading directly into one new heaven and new earth, in which is only righteousness.

That is what Jesus taught, and is what Peter wrote in 2 Peter 3.

[JehovahsWitness]

One return, and one day of judgment, leading directly into one new heaven and new earth, in which is only righteousness.

Is this one return and the one day of jugement the same occassion when he JESUS RETURNS: destroys the goats / destroys ALL human govenments / completely destoys Satan and the demons?

[Checkpoint]

One return, and one day of judgment, leading directly into one new heaven and new earth, in which is only righteousness.

Is this one return and the one day of jugement the same occassion when he JESUS RETURNS: destroys the goats / destroys ALL human govenments / completely destoys Satan and the demons?

Seemingly, but not really.

What I described is how the old order ends, with righteousness remaining, and with no unrighteous people remaining, and the last enemy destroyed.

The old heaven and earth pass away, and the new heaven and new earth appear as the new order.

You probably can equate them if you have the need to do so.

I don't and I can't.

I am just giving you answers as best I can.

You take them or leave them as best you can.

[JehovahsWitness]

One return, and one day of judgment, leading directly into one new heaven and new earth, in which is only righteousness.

Is this one return and the one day of jugement the same occassion when he JESUS RETURNS: destroys the goats / destroys ALL human govenments / completely destoys Satan and the demons?

... not really.

Ok. So where does the one return and the one day of jugement fit in to what you have confirmed so far?

[ we are presently in the [1] LAST DAYS. Satan's world exists under his rule and wicked people around: people are suffering. ]===> [2] JESUS RETURNS: destroys the goats / destroys ALL human govenments / destroys ALL wicked people leaving none / completely destoys Satan and the demons -----> [3] [JESUS' PEACEFUL RULE ]

(a) before all the above
(b) after all the abive
(c) inside all the above


.... if (c) perhaps you would like to say where ie (and this is just an example of course....)


For example: The "the one return and the one day of jugement" happens before the RULE OF PEACE that {to quote you} "lasts forever" but after the JESUS RETURNS and destroys the goats / all the wicked people/destroys ALL human govenments / completely destoys Satan and the demons.

That's just an example, you can of course place "the one return and the one day of jugement" anywhere you like in the timeline.





JW

This peaceful rule will last forever. Revelation 11:15; 22:3-5.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #885]

Yes, Armageddon is to rid the earth of evil. All wicked people and the Devil are gone---the wicked people to oblivion and the Devil to thousand-year restraint. This gives people time to forever make up their minds whether or not they want to serve and obey Jehovah as their Sovereign. This includes all of the people who died before Jesus came on the scene, and will need instruction as to the truth of matters. We will be teaching them as they are resurrected into Paradise (the earth). People will be unencumbered by any evil during this time. Then, when the thousand years is up every person will be given the chance to take their side with Jehovah and Jesus forever. Some may choose not to. That is when the final obliteration comes, when Satan is destroyed and also those who do not want to serve Jehovah. Isn't that what we see in Revelation 20?