Not Needed By God

[William]

The very idea that יהוה doesn't need assistance flies in the face of all the biblical stories told. Surely you are misrepresenting יהוה in that regard.

There are no biblical stories where God has "needed assistance" he needs noone to accomplish his purpose.

The fact that He has condescended to allow humans to play a part therein does not equates to his being unable to achieved what he wants without them. The bible repeatedly refers to Jehovah as the Almighty, so logically being all powerful an omnipotent God has no need of extra input to do what he wants. If Jehovah delegates its an expression of his love and mercy as the righteous view it as a privilege to be used by God.

QFB Is the idea that an almighty being can do everything without the assistance of anything, logically sound?



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[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #49]

Read the posts in the thread and your questions will [or at least - should] be answered.

It is difficult to track who said what in this thread, as most posts do not attach names to the quotations!

- a claim that it was a FACT that BG condescended to allow humans to exist but the god being almighty could achieve what he wants without them, which appeared questionable.

If you posted that, are you questioning that God could not achieve what He wanted without man's help?

It's a simply yes or no question.

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #51]

If you posted that, are you questioning that God could not achieve what He wanted without man's help?

Yes.
I have also given reasonable logical argument as to why. Succinctly, when I wrote how an all mighty entity cannot have potential worshipers if it at first does not create things which can potentially worship it. Without those, it cannot get the worship it wants.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #49]

Read the posts in the thread and your questions will [or at least - should] be answered.

It is difficult to track who said what in this thread, as most posts do not attach names to the quotations!

- a claim that it was a FACT that BG condescended to allow humans to exist but the god being almighty could achieve what he wants without them, which appeared questionable.

If you posted that, are you questioning that God could not achieve what He wanted without man's help?

It's a simply yes or no question.

God isn't so much looking for worshipers. He has no need for worshipers as such.

He needs everlasting spiritual beings which will obey His commands. Those humans who do so will gain everlasting spiritual bodied life and be tasked with replenishing the earth for ever and ever -- thus replacing the original angels who failed in that effort.

And worshiping Him is the best indicator of who these human beings are.

If they worship Him, they are likely to follow His commandments.

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #53]

God isn't so much looking for worshipers. He has no need for worshipers as such.

As such?
Search "Bible on worship"
Bible Verses about Worship

He needs everlasting spiritual beings which will obey His commands.

Okay - lets go with that one then.
QFB: Is the idea that an almighty being can do everything without the assistance of anything, logically sound?

Without everlasting spiritual beings which will obey His commands, how does an all mighty entity get what it needs?

[myth-one.com]

Define "QFB".

[We_Are_VENOM]

QFB Is the idea that an almighty being can do everything without the assistance of anything, logically sound?

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Yes, it is logically sound.

Next...

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #55]

Question For Debate/Discussion.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #53]

God isn't so much looking for worshipers. He has no need for worshipers as such.

As such?
Search "Bible on worship"
Bible Verses about Worship

He needs everlasting spiritual beings which will obey His commands.

Okay - lets go with that one then.
QFB: Is the idea that an almighty being can do everything without the assistance of anything, logically sound?

Without everlasting spiritual beings which will obey His commands, how does an all mighty entity get what it needs?

If God needed everlasting spiritual beings which would obey His commands, He would simply create them.

[Revelations won]

To all respondents on this topic,

We should all remember that God is not being tested, but we are.

He indeed is omnipotent. His purposes never fail, but we may fail.

We should understand that even He operates within divine law.

We should always remember that GOD has given an eternal principle to us first in heaven as spirit sons and daughters of God which is "agency".

Mortality is a part and parcel of God'ss eternal plan of eternal progression for each and every one of us and that principle of agency was also given in the Garden of Eden again. For we, as agents and recipients of this divine principle of agency have ultimate freedom to make choices that eternally determine our divine success or failure.

Best wishes, RW

[William]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #59]

We should all remember that God is not being tested, but we are.

Or - maybe we are god testing itself?

But the statement itself only shows that without 'us' an almighty entity [AME] cannot 'test us' unless you are also arguing that it is logical that it doesn't need us to test us by first creating us and can just test us without us actually existing - because that is what the QFD is asking. Is that logical?
IF it is,
THEN explain how the AME manages to do this.

Note: "God works in mysterious ways" is NOT an explanation. It is simply a statement of ignorance/not knowing and if one does not know [is ignorant] about how an AME is able to do a thing, one cannot also state that 'it is because' without also showing what the process that makes a thing possible/logical, actually is.