There are numerous god-men who died and rose from death in stories predating the time of Jesus. Considering the notable differences between the gospel accounts, and particularly the differences between the accounts of Jesus's supposed resurrection, here's a question for gospel apologists to think seriously about:
There are four resurrection accounts about Jesus in the Christian gospels. If the exact same accounts, with the exact same differences, were written about Osiris, Tammuz, Attis or any such god-man other than Jesus, would Christian apologists find all of those accounts believable?
And if they wouldn't find all of them believable, would they find any of them believable?
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Re: A simple---but serious---question
Post #91What "inconsistent" are you referring to (text please)?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:57 pm
Why is Mary Magdalene's behavior inconsistent in the resurrection narratives? That's what I'm asking.
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Re: A simple---but serious---question
Post #92[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #91]
I'm not bringing up something new here. I've established the inconsistency in previous posts. All you have to do is go back and look at them.What "inconsistent" are you referring to (text please)?
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Post #93For starters, no Gospel says that it did. The voice saying both things would be yet one more story in addition to those told in the Bible.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:21 amIs there any reason the voice couldn't have said both?
Is that how you read the story, that the voice said the one thing first and then the other? If so, do you see a clue there that any of the authors meant that? Or did the authors not mean that, but the Holy Spirit made sure that what they wrote was technically true even though it's different than the story the authors thought they were telling? Or do you not read it that way yourself, but still suggest that the rest of us should read it that way anyway?
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Post #94This question will fall by the wayside for you when you examine the evidence for the various God-men. The gospel accounts don't conflict and variations are explainable from very simple reasoning. Two witnesses to the same event see different aspects and are interested in different elements.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:04 pm There are numerous god-men who died and rose from death in stories predating the time of Jesus. Considering the notable differences between the gospel accounts, and particularly the differences between the accounts of Jesus's supposed resurrection, here's a question for gospel apologists to think seriously about:
There are four resurrection accounts about Jesus in the Christian gospels. If the exact same accounts, with the exact same differences, were written about Osiris, Tammuz, Attis or any such god-man other than Jesus, would Christian apologists find all of those accounts believable?
And if they wouldn't find all of them believable, would they find any of them believable?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Post #95Then can you explain why Mary Magdalene's behavior is so inconsistent between the resurrection narratives?Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:56 pmThis question will fall by the wayside for you when you examine the evidence for the various God-men. The gospel accounts don't conflict and variations are explainable from very simple reasoning. Two witnesses to the same event see different aspects and are interested in different elements.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:04 pm There are numerous god-men who died and rose from death in stories predating the time of Jesus. Considering the notable differences between the gospel accounts, and particularly the differences between the accounts of Jesus's supposed resurrection, here's a question for gospel apologists to think seriously about:
There are four resurrection accounts about Jesus in the Christian gospels. If the exact same accounts, with the exact same differences, were written about Osiris, Tammuz, Attis or any such god-man other than Jesus, would Christian apologists find all of those accounts believable?
And if they wouldn't find all of them believable, would they find any of them believable?
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Post #96Please post the claim.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:31 pm Then can you explain why Mary Magdalene's behavior is so inconsistent between the resurrection narratives?
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Post #97Can you provide a link?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:08 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #91]I'm not bringing up something new here. I've established the inconsistency in previous posts. All you have to do is go back and look at them.What "inconsistent" are you referring to (text please)?
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Re: A simple---but serious---question
Post #98I can: viewtopic.php?p=1058019#p1058019JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:59 amCan you provide a link?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:08 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #91]I'm not bringing up something new here. I've established the inconsistency in previous posts. All you have to do is go back and look at them.What "inconsistent" are you referring to (text please)?
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Post #99Name one.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:04 pm There are numerous god-men who died and rose from death in stories predating the time of Jesus.
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Post #100Three are named in the OP.David the apologist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:06 pmName one.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:04 pm There are numerous god-men who died and rose from death in stories predating the time of Jesus.
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