JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to FaithWillDo in post #348]

Paul spoke of two types of bodies, and he and the rest of the 144,000 will attain to spirit bodies in the spiritual realm. The earth was never meant to be the spirit realm, and will remain as it is forever. (Ecclesiastes 1:4; Psalm 37:29; Psalm 78:69; Psalm 104:5) THIS earth, not a completely different one. Those of us who will be on Earth will always have physical bodies and will be who Jehovah considers righteous, having come out of the Great Tribulation unscathed, all the wicked having been destroyed at Armageddon. (2Thess.1:6-9) Why would you think that the wicked would still be free to practice their evil stuff for a thousand years on Earth? No, there will be no wicked on Earth held over from before Armageddon, and those who live on Earth during that time will all be righteously disposed---until the end when some decide to follow Satan. After the final word from Jehovah, humankind will be free to at last "come alive," because they have chosen Jehovah's side and can now live forever unimpeded.

Why would God make the original humans physical and then change them into spirits? He could have made everyone spirits in the beginning.

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Dear onewithhim,
I would like to see the scriptures that you say support your statements above. What you presented is a complete misunderstanding of God's Word and the very nature of who God is.

Your beliefs teach a "works" based belief system which will never save anyone.

My beliefs DO NOT teach a works-based belief system. I have repeated over and again that we must accept what Jesus did for us and THEN show our faith by our works. JAMES 2:26--"faith without works is dead."They go hand in hand. Of course our own efforts won't save us. That's why Jesus died.

If anyone would like to take the time and really study the whole Bible, they would see that I do not have a misunderstanding of God's Word or the nature of God. You say you would like to see the scriptures that hold up my arguments......I have given all that in posts in times gone by, and if you had checked out the posts from the beginning you would have seen the sense in them. It's really counterproductive to post things and then have someone ask for the very answers you just gave.

You said on another thread that you answered my question (above) but I don't see it.


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[FaithWillDo]

Dear onewithhim

You said:
My beliefs DO NOT teach a works-based belief system. I have repeated over and again that we must accept what Jesus did for us and THEN show our faith by our works. JAMES 2:26--"faith without works is dead."They go hand in hand. Of course our own efforts won't save us. That's why Jesus died.

If anyone would like to take the time and really study the whole Bible, they would see that I do not have a misunderstanding of God's Word or the nature of God. You say you would like to see the scriptures that hold up my arguments......I have given all that in posts in times gone by, and if you had checked out the posts from the beginning you would have seen the sense in them. It's really counterproductive to post things and then have someone ask for the very answers you just gave.

You said on another thread that you answered my question (above) but I don't see it.


Since you believe that mankind is equal with God and can make free will decisions which can be different than God's "will", you have a works based belief system.

If a person has been given Faith by God, that faith will produce "good works". Neither our "faith" or our "good works" come from ourselves, they come from God.

Also, Jesus' death on the cross does not give us "faith". His death on the cross gave Him the keys to death & hell and because of this authority, He has the power to resurrect all mankind to life after we die. But this life is not our full salvation. Our full salvation is having life AND having it free from sin along with a restored relationship with the Father (through Christ). Salvation has TWO parts to it. We must rightly divide the Word.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life (accomplished at the cross for all mankind), and that they might have it more abundantly (individually accomplished when Christ converts us).

Don't confuse Christ's work on the cross with the spiritual work He is presently doing within mankind. They are separate works.

You said:
You said on another thread that you answered my question (above) but I don't see it.

I answered it in my post #339 of this thread.

Please go back and read that post. After you do, you should realize that no amount of study or reading of God's Word is going to bring someone to the knowledge of the Truth. That knowledge is only given by Christ when He comes to an individual with the Latter Rain of the Spirit and heals their spiritual blindness. Only after Christ heals a person's blindness will they have the ability to "receive" His words.

Prov 2:1-5 My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

The truth of God's Word is hidden from mankind and only revealed to those whom Christ has chosen from the foundation of the world. All others will remain blind until He heals their blindness in the final age. Then they, too will come unto the knowledge of the truth:

1 Tim 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Joe

[onewithhim]

Dear onewithhim

You said:
My beliefs DO NOT teach a works-based belief system. I have repeated over and again that we must accept what Jesus did for us and THEN show our faith by our works. JAMES 2:26--"faith without works is dead."They go hand in hand. Of course our own efforts won't save us. That's why Jesus died.

If anyone would like to take the time and really study the whole Bible, they would see that I do not have a misunderstanding of God's Word or the nature of God. You say you would like to see the scriptures that hold up my arguments......I have given all that in posts in times gone by, and if you had checked out the posts from the beginning you would have seen the sense in them. It's really counterproductive to post things and then have someone ask for the very answers you just gave.

You said on another thread that you answered my question (above) but I don't see it.


Since you believe that mankind is equal with God and can make free will decisions which can be different than God's "will", you have a works based belief system.


Joe

But I do not believe that mankind is equal with God. He loved his creation of mankind so much that he gave us the ability to think for ourselves. Otherwise we would be robots. That does not make us equal to God.

Joshua said to Israel: "Now if it seems bad to you to serve Jehovah, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve...." (Joshua 24:15)

It is clear that people have the ability to choose. When they choose to serve Jehovah they can live.

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[FaithWillDo]

[onewithhim]

[Replying to FaithWillDo in post #354]

"Free will" of course means the ability to choose, and I don't understand why you deny this.

[Revelations won]

[Revelations won]

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #356]

I have answered these on another thread.

[Rose2020]

This is certainly interesting.
Yet it just means Jesus is the Son of God. He has full authority given to Him by the Father, to act on His behalf.

[onewithhim]

This is certainly interesting.
Yet it just means Jesus is the Son of God. He has full authority given to Him by the Father, to act on His behalf.

That is true.