For debate:EarthScienceguy wrote: ...
The universe could not exist in the form that it is in unless there was an omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient God.
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Please offer some means to confirm the referenced claim is true and factual.
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For debate:EarthScienceguy wrote: ...
The universe could not exist in the form that it is in unless there was an omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient God.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:20 pmIs this a true statement: "anything is possible in principle unless we can prove without question that it is not" ?Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:17 pmYou were quoted, with a site reference, within the very post to which you just responded. It's included in your response wondering just what sentence I was agetting atSherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:48 pm ...
OK - anything is possible in principle unless we can prove without question that it is not.
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...Please quote the sentence I posted that you are in disagreement with, enough of the paraphrasing please, lets stick with facts what specific statement of mine are you objecting to?Joey Knothead wrote: Not even a clue, even though I explained the problem within this thread?
The point is that declaring something possible is a poor means of determining fact.
All I had to do was actually read your post, and by my incredible powers of reading, therein did I find the sentence.
Yes.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:59 am Is this a true statement: "anything is possible in principle unless we can prove without question that it is not" ?
Very well then, so you don't disagree with what I wrote, good.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:57 pmYes.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:59 am Is this a true statement: "anything is possible in principle unless we can prove without question that it is not" ?
It's not so much that Joey wishes you had written something else, but that he's giving you the benefit of the doubt. The statement you keep returning to ("anything is possible in principle unless we can prove without question that it is not") is true, but it's also meaningless to the present discussion. By assuming, at least pro forma for the sake of the argument, that you are implying that it does when you make the statement, Joey is allowing for the possibility that your argument is being made in good faith.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:14 amSo what exactly are your complaining about? Perhaps you're complaining about something I didn't write? perhaps you're complaining about something you wish I had written but didn't? is that what's going on?
My point is that just cause something's possible, that don't mean it'll happen. Heck, it don't even mean it's likely.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:14 amVery well then, so you don't disagree with what I wrote, good.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:57 pmYes.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:59 am Is this a true statement: "anything is possible in principle unless we can prove without question that it is not" ?
So what exactly are you complaining about? Perhaps you're complaining about something I didn't write? perhaps you're complaining about something you wish I had written but didn't? is that what's going on?
That very obvious fact is what you call your "point"?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:31 amMy point is that just cause something's possible, that don't mean it'll happen. Heck, it don't even mean it's likely.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:14 amVery well then, so you don't disagree with what I wrote, good.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:57 pmYes.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:59 am Is this a true statement: "anything is possible in principle unless we can prove without question that it is not" ?
So what exactly are you complaining about? Perhaps you're complaining about something I didn't write? perhaps you're complaining about something you wish I had written but didn't? is that what's going on?
Right so we can't rule God out, nobody can, no matter what your position is on this subject we absolutely cannot say, claim or prove that God is not the cause.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:31 am Relating this to the OP then, it's possible the existence of the universe requires a god, but that possibilitiness don't mean it happened that way.
Possibilitiness. I love sticking a fork in the language. My predictive text gets so confused
Nor can we rule out possums, nor fish sticks, nor grits, nor nothing like that.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:42 pm Right so we can't rule God out, nobody can, no matter what your position is on this subject we absolutely cannot say, claim or prove that God is not the cause.
Exactly.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:34 pmNor can we rule out possums, nor fish sticks, nor grits, nor nothing like that.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:42 pm Right so we can't rule God out, nobody can, no matter what your position is on this subject we absolutely cannot say, claim or prove that God is not the cause.
Again, the above seems to be just vacuous, sorry but it is.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:34 pm So yeah, it's possible God's him a possum, it's possible God's him a fish stick, it's possible God's him a grit, it's possible your god claims're truth.
It's also possible you make claims you'll never show to be truth.
Now that we have the data, we can set to conclude.
"Seems"Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:40 pmExactly.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:34 pmNor can we rule out possums, nor fish sticks, nor grits, nor nothing like that.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:42 pm Right so we can't rule God out, nobody can, no matter what your position is on this subject we absolutely cannot say, claim or prove that God is not the cause.
Again, the above seems to be just vacuous, sorry but it is.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:34 pm So yeah, it's possible God's him a possum, it's possible God's him a fish stick, it's possible God's him a grit, it's possible your god claims're truth.
It's also possible you make claims you'll never show to be truth.
Now that we have the data, we can set to conclude.
Describing your post as seemingly vacuous is rational, critical commentary Joey.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:55 pm"Seems"Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:40 pmExactly.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:34 pmNor can we rule out possums, nor fish sticks, nor grits, nor nothing like that.Sherlock Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:42 pm Right so we can't rule God out, nobody can, no matter what your position is on this subject we absolutely cannot say, claim or prove that God is not the cause.
Again, the above seems to be just vacuous, sorry but it is.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:34 pm So yeah, it's possible God's him a possum, it's possible God's him a fish stick, it's possible God's him a grit, it's possible your god claims're truth.
It's also possible you make claims you'll never show to be truth.
Now that we have the data, we can set to conclude.
A great way to avoid rational, critical commentary.