CHRISTIANS: Are you under the law or not?

[Avoice]

Christians:
Are you under the law or not?

1) I hear Christians say they are not under the law. That it is done away with. Is that true?

The sacrificial system is in the book of the laws.
What makes you think you have protection under the law? Laws which you deny? YOU HAVE NO PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW. You cant offer Jesus or anything as a sacrifice.

2) Did you read about what God demands for a sacrifice to be accepted?

Any if Jesus' blood sprinkled on the alter? NO
You think a sacrifice in a disgusting place like Golgotha is fitting for God? You wouldnt let your dog sleep in such a place. But for an offering to God you are cool with it. Yes? Thats okay?

DOES THE LAW STAND OR DOESN'T IT?

[1213]

...Then some, from the least to the greatest, don't have the law written on their hearts?

Yes, at the moment, but, in some sayd there are only those remaining that have the law written in their heart.

"For all will know me...."

If that hasn't happened since Jesus died, his death can't have established a new covenant contingent upon it happening.

I don't think it should already be completed, because "the house of Israel" can mean many generations of people. But, maybe it is good to notice that is is speaking of the "house of Israel", not all possible people.

[Athetotheist]

...Then some, from the least to the greatest, don't have the law written on their hearts?

Yes, at the moment, but, in some sayd there are only those remaining that have the law written in their heart.

"For all will know me...."

If that hasn't happened since Jesus died, his death can't have established a new covenant contingent upon it happening.

I don't think it should already be completed, because "the house of Israel" can mean many generations of people. But, maybe it is good to notice that is is speaking of the "house of Israel", not all possible people.

That's just it----it is specifically addressed to the house of Israel, and it's never happened among them.

And it shouldn't matter how many generations are in the house of Israel. If Jesus's death was supposed to establish the new covenant and his death took place at a specific time, that should be the determing factor. Otherwise, the establishment of the new covenant could be attributed to virtually anything.

[Avoice]

[Replying to 1213 in post #6]

So...you think Christians are under the 'new covenant '

Really?

Here's the test to that idea:
How will we know when the new covenant is in place?
Because at that time NO ONE will be out preaching at that time.
People still have it preaching? Yes.

[1213]

[Athetotheist]

[tam]

Peace to you,

...Then some, from the least to the greatest, don't have the law written on their hearts?

Yes, at the moment, but, in some sayd there are only those remaining that have the law written in their heart.

"For all will know me...."

If that hasn't happened since Jesus died, his death can't have established a new covenant contingent upon it happening.

All in the new covenant have the law written upon their hearts and know Him (but not everyone who will be in the new covenant is yet in the new covenant; some may not even be born yet). People are still entering into the new covenant. The door is still open.


Peace again to you!

[Athetotheist]

[tam]

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to tam in post #28

Or these ones are not in the new covenant (at least not yet). Not sure why the automatic conclusion is that the new covenant has not yet been established.

The way the text of Jeremiah is written, there isn't supposed to be any "not yet". It says nothing about the covenant being established on an installment plan.

As I see it, you're the one drawing the automatic conclusion that the covenant has been established-----because the Christian scriptures say so.

Think about it----those with the law written on their hearts are all supposed to know God so well as to need no teaching. Do you know of anyone who fits that description?

[tam]