How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

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How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

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This is not a question of whether or not evolution is crazy, but how crazy it seems at first glance.

That is, when we discard our experiences and look at claims as if through new eyes, what do we find when we look at evolution? I Believe we can find a great deal of common ground with this question, because when I discard my experience as an animal breeder, when I discard my knowledge, and what I've been taught, I might look at evolution with the same skepticism as someone who has either never been taught anything about it, or someone who has been taught to distrust it.

Personally my mind goes to the keratinised spines on the tongues of cats. Yes, cats have fingernails growing out of their tongues! Gross, right? Well, these particular fingernails have evolved into perfect little brushes for the animal's fur. But I think of that first animal with a horrid growth of keratin on its poor tongue. The poor thing didn't die immediately, and this fits perfectly with what I said about two steps back paying for one forward. This detrimental mutation didn't hurt the animal enough for the hapless thing to die of it, but surely it caused some suffering. And persevering thing that he was, he reproduced despite his disability (probably in a time of plenty that allowed that). But did he have the growths anywhere else? It isn't beyond reason to think of them protruding from the corners of his eyes or caking up more and more on the palms of his hands. Perhaps he had them where his eyelashes were, and it hurt him to even blink. As disturbing as my mental picture is of this scenario, this sad creature isn't even as bad off as this boar, whose tusks grew up and curled until they punctured his brain.

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This is a perfect example of a detrimental trait being preserved because it doesn't hurt the animal enough to kill it before it mates. So we don't have to jump right from benefit to benefit. The road to a new beneficial trait might be long, going backwards most of the way, and filled with a lot of stabbed brains and eyelids.

Walking backwards most of the time, uphill both ways, and across caltrops almost the entire trip?

I have to admit, thinking about walking along such a path sounds like, at very least, a very depressing way to get from A to B. I would hope there would be a better way.

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:08 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:15 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:06 am
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:05 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:02 am
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:57 am ...
Logic is my profession.
Even a blind man can paint a picture. It's determining the quality thereof where it gets tricky.
And a blind man cannot determine quality of said painting can they...
This ain't the killer reply you think it is.
I thought it was funny myself, anyway what's your problem? you got a problem with me personally?
It's just debate.

I seek to ensure folks don't think some magic man in the sky has anything to do with anything.
Why? If someone believes God created everything then why tell them they're wrong? why pretend you know anything about it?
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Re: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

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The Barbarian wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:00 am
William wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:45 am
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.


Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word that I speak to you, neither shall you take away from it: keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Did the God say either way?
Yep. That's God's word above. It's O.K. to say, "the Bible doesn't say specifically, but I believe..." It's not O.K. to say "the Bible says that..." if the Bible doesn't actually say it.
Do you have any example of what it means to add or take away from every word from God, and what the consequence was re that?
For example, if one was to say "the Bible says the Earth is billions of years old", or "the Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old", one would be adding to scripture.

God says the penalty is to be rebuked by Him, and to be found a liar.
Did God say that the Bible was 'The Word of God'?

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Re: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:17 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:08 pm ...
I seek to ensure folks don't think some magic man in the sky has anything to do with anything.
Why? If someone believes God created everything then why tell them they're wrong? why pretend you know anything about it?
Cause they vote, among other reasons.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:50 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:17 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:08 pm ...
I seek to ensure folks don't think some magic man in the sky has anything to do with anything.
Why? If someone believes God created everything then why tell them they're wrong? why pretend you know anything about it?
Cause they vote, among other reasons.
That's it? your entire motive here is political? man this is a bad choice of forum then, that's all I can say!

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Re: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:53 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:50 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:17 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:08 pm ...
I seek to ensure folks don't think some magic man in the sky has anything to do with anything.
Why? If someone believes God created everything then why tell them they're wrong? why pretend you know anything about it?
Cause they vote, among other reasons.
That's it? your entire motive here is political? man this is a bad choice of forum then, that's all I can say!
among

other

reasons

Just let me know if there's any other words ya need me to look up for ya.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:08 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:53 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:50 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:17 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:08 pm ...
I seek to ensure folks don't think some magic man in the sky has anything to do with anything.
Why? If someone believes God created everything then why tell them they're wrong? why pretend you know anything about it?
Cause they vote, among other reasons.
That's it? your entire motive here is political? man this is a bad choice of forum then, that's all I can say!
among

other

reasons

Just let me know if there's any other words ya need me to look up for ya.
OK so you don't want to share those other reasons, got ya! My, this is a fun consation we's havin aint it!

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Re: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

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The Barbarian wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:00 am Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.


Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word that I speak to you, neither shall you take away from it: keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

William wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:45 am Did God say that the Bible was 'The Word of God'?


2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Romans 15:4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord remains forever.” And this word is the good news that was preached to you.

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Re: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

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The Barbarian wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:57 pm
The Barbarian wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:00 am Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.


Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word that I speak to you, neither shall you take away from it: keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

William wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:45 am Did God say that the Bible was 'The Word of God'?


2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Romans 15:4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord remains forever.” And this word is the good news that was preached to you.
I see nothing there which tells us that God said that the Bible was The Word of God.

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Re: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:38 pm OK so you don't want to share those other reasons, got ya! My, this is a fun consation we's havin aint it!
He didn't say that, or even imply it. As noted elsewhere, you seem to be inclined to put words into the mouths of others and then attack them based on what you implied they said. Amazon is surely running out of straw by now.
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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:38 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:08 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:53 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:50 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:17 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:08 pm ...
I seek to ensure folks don't think some magic man in the sky has anything to do with anything.
Why? If someone believes God created everything then why tell them they're wrong? why pretend you know anything about it?
Cause they vote, among other reasons.
That's it? your entire motive here is political? man this is a bad choice of forum then, that's all I can say!
among

other

reasons

Just let me know if there's any other words ya need me to look up for ya.
OK so you don't want to share those other reasons, got ya! My, this is a fun consation we's havin aint it!
Please note, I was addressing your stating or implying that politics was my only reason for debating here.

Don't fuss at me when you fail to ask what might be them other reasons.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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