Where is, and recognizing the devil

[nobspeople]

How can one recognize the devil?
"Be careful! Watch out for attacks from the devil, your great enemy. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for some victim to devour. Take a firm stand against him, and be strong in your faith" (I Peter 5:8-9)
There it's said he's a like a roaring lion, but here
"Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. So it is no wonder his servants can also do it by pretending to be godly ministers" (II Corinthians 11:14-15).
it says he can be like an angel of light.

So which is it? A roaring lion or light angel? Contradictory much? Or maybe, the devil can be both things, at which point we're right back to the first question, how can one recognize him.

"Humble yourselves before God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you" (James 4:7).
This seems to say if you're humble before god, you can resist the devil and he will leave you. But it still doesn't say how to recognize him.
This:
"He was a murderer from the beginning and has always hated the truth. There is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:44).
doesn't seem to help recognizing him, either - just tells you what it claims the devil is.

Seems the devil is more of a spirit and less of a legitimate 'thing' (though some claim it's a very real person - see link below*, which seems odd to use the term 'person'), so maybe, to recognize it, when need to know where it lives today.
Pergamum was said to be “where the throne of Satan is” and “where Satan is dwelling.” (Revelation 2:13). However, some think this refers more to the satanic worship than an actual residence. Odd that god would let some think this and others think something else, but that's another story to address elsewhere.
The Bible says that the Devil rules over “all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth,” so he does not dwell in any one physical location on earth but is confined to the vicinity of the earth.​—(Luke 4:​5, 6).

For discussion: How does one recognize the devil? Or does that even matter? And where is the devil today?

* https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family ... the-devil/

[Diagoras]

there appear to be clues within the structure a human language, and clues which come from facts to do with Intertextual References, point to the formulation of ideas being had as to what the possible facts might be.

The problem with those 'intertextual references', as you call them, is when you:

try long enough and you'll end up with something frightfully bad

Considering all the different sentences I could have written, but didn't, how amazing is it that I got '666' like that?

Most people will (hopefully) realise that all I did was play around with different wordings until I eventually hit upon my target number. There are so many word and letter combinations that add up to <pick a number here> that finding even half a dozen or so that 'appear' to have something in common is in actual fact, not at all surprising. There'll be hundreds, even thousands of other phrases that yield the same result but are totally unrelated, or even absolute nonsense.

puppy wigwam delicious tram slurp turnip fashion bumpy aid

Hey! look at that! It's uncanny...

[William]

[Replying to Diagoras in post #91]

Keep on reaching.

It isn't about the written word. It is about the sound of spoken language.

I think sometimes folk get confused thinking that just because they learned how to speak, through learning what was written, that it means the written word is what got folk speaking.

Rather - language comes from the mind behind creation...

[~]

What you tabled re the examples you are attempting to use to support your argument, doesn't even take into consideration - sensible Intertextual References - ...

Hey! look at that! It's uncanny...
Knowledge Speaks, Wisdom Hears ...
The incontrovertible evidence...

[Avoice]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

Satan is not the enemy of God. Satan is the adversary. He has a tough Job. His job is to tempt people away from God. He can only do what God allows. The scriptures clearly show this. Satan is only mentioned a couple times in the scriptures but he can't do anything unless God allows it.
The idea if him being some fallen angel who is going to war it out with God comes from the church. That is dualistic thinking. Not monotheistic. There is only one great power and that is the God of Israel. There is no evil god (Satan) that will challenge God for supremacy.
What??? Like God might lose? Nonsense

Satan gets a bad rap. He's only doing his job. If Satan were not doing his job how could we prove ourselves? We need temptation. No one gets to God without going through Satan.

[theophile]

Facts:
Intertextual References = 267
The Need Determines the Value = 267
The Best way to access God is... = 26
...
I have offered the first round of facts [see post#88 too] as evidence and placed these onto the table of discussion.

That is my side of this discourse. I await your reply before proceeding, if indeed it is your intention to have discourse.

I'm just not sure how to engage in this kind of discourse. If we want to understand the satanic (so as to answer the OP), we should be looking at biblical texts and building a case from the fact-base these provide.

I don't know what these seemingly arbitrary strings / string-values get us.

[William]

Facts:
Intertextual References = 267
The Need Determines the Value = 267
The Best way to access God is... = 26
...
I have offered the first round of facts [see post#88 too] as evidence and placed these onto the table of discussion.

That is my side of this discourse. I await your reply before proceeding, if indeed it is your intention to have discourse.

I'm just not sure how to engage in this kind of discourse. If we want to understand the satanic (so as to answer the OP), we should be looking at biblical texts and building a case from the fact-base these provide.

I don't know what these seemingly arbitrary strings / string-values get us.

Remember the premise.
Premise:
"Develop a basic, fact-based view first and then ask the question."

I have done this and shown the fact-based evidence.

The Garden of Eden = 131
Mother Earth = 131
Development = 131
The Power Of... = 131
Those Who Can = 131
Learn How to = 131
The Old Soul = 131
Heuristics = 131
Perseverance = 131
Golden nugget = 131
Connections = 131
Becoming whole = 131

The Subject is "The Garden of Eden"
Earth is mentioned biblically plus we know her to be a creator.
Indeed, all the word-strings can be considered biblical subjects.

Next is The Subject of The Serpent;
The Serpent = 130
See the Signs = 130
All The World = 130
Big Gaps In Logic = 130
Our Species = 130
Destination = 130
Ars Notoria = 130
Television = 130
Realization = 130
God Eat Data Heal Cub = 130
Descriptive = 130
Practicing peace = 130

These explain a process which is not unaligned with biblical ideas.

They also add something to what Avoice wrote in post#93

Satan gets a bad rap. He's only doing his job. If Satan were not doing his job how could we prove ourselves?

Next are Adam and Eve.

Adam and Eve = 70
Galaxy = 70
Secret = 70
Liminal = 70
Rarified = 70
Yahweh = 70

These speak of a process which is connect with YHWH - the biblical overlord.

Which is the subject of
The God of The Garden Story = 259
Mysterious process = 259
The creator is the creation = 259
The way we feel unification = 259
Collective Unconscious = 259
The path to enlightenment = 259

Again, not out of line with biblical stuff

Then we have the role Satan performs - under the watchful eye and guiding arm of YHWH.

Satan = 55
Watch = 55
Be Aware = 55
Trap = 55
Able To = 55
Less = 55
Move = 55

Satan is the device through which the process is slowed down so that it might be examined -

Lucifer is often thought of as being Satan.

Lucifer = 74
Jesus
Queenbee
Lucifer

Lucifer is also imaged as being in opposition to Jesus
(QueenBee is a name I refer to re the Earth-Entity creative consciousness)

Habitual
Phasing
Between
Fine Line
In Detail
Beauty
Nailed it
According
Energy
English
Masonic
Gematria
Deep Space
Nuclear
Hexagon
Enchanted
About face

All theses have connections to the process humans are currently undergoing.

Now to the fruit trees.
The Tree of Life = 134
The human brain
The game of Chess
Information
Breakthrough
Incorporate
Homo Sapiens
Unprecedented
The Ghost Agenda

All these put together spell out the ingredients - they do not stray from biblical concepts.

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil = 327
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
Things Will Run Their Course
Coding the sound of spoken language

Without knowledge we have little to use our language with.
Without full understanding of our language, our knowledge is distorted.
Without knowing good and evil we have no moral base and without moral base, we cannot survive in more permanence, as a specie.

Understanding and connecting with the source of our language is vital to that vision.

Look For the Significance
As An Elemental Principle
The Purpose Of Life Is...
James Webb Space Telescope
They is what they is.
Under the watchful eye

The progenitor of Jesus' fleshly nature
Under the watchful eye and guiding arm of YHWH

[Diagoras]

I don't know what these seemingly arbitrary strings / string-values get us.

Neither do I.

It isn't about the written word. It is about the sound of spoken language.

I don't recall 'sounds' being of any importance in previous posts.

'Satan' scores 55 in the system being used here. So do many other words, such as:

• trap
• fluke
• lint
• grey
• chips
• watch
• pose
• nails
• zit
• loom

Feel free to infer some sort of hidden meaning or association with Satan from them. But how about some other words which we might reasonably consider?

evil (48)
tempt (74)
deceive (53)
sins (61)
fires (57)
burn (55) ! Look! That's a match!
falls (50)
adversary (113)
downfall (87)

Hmmm, those last two are way off. Might be something to do with the number of letters, rather than the sounds they make?

any phrase where s appears at least three times (461)
sss (57) - so you can easily see at a glance that 'sausages' isn't going to equal Satan.
fizzy (92)
bad (7)
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (218)
Lets see if longer phrases typically produce higher scores (596)
yup (62)
xylophone zebra wyvern (293) - seems as if the letters at the end of the alphabet are more 'powerful', somehow...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (650)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzp (666) - the sound Satan makes zipping up his pants.

So there we are.

[1213]

Satan is not the enemy of God. Satan is the adversary.

What is the difference between enemy and adversary? I think they are essentially the same.

...He's only doing his job. If Satan were not doing his job how could we prove ourselves? We need temptation. No one gets to God without going through Satan.

I don’t think there is any Biblical reason to think he is just doing his job. And I don’t think we need temptation. Temptation can come also without Satan, he is not necessary for that.

[theophile]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzp (666) - the sound Satan makes zipping up his pants.

That's a good one

[William]

[Replying to Diagoras in post #96]

and;

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzp (666) - the sound Satan makes zipping up his pants.

That's a good one

My Reply

[William]

Satan is not the enemy of God. Satan is the adversary.

What is the difference between enemy and adversary? I think they are essentially the same.

The adversary has to do with humans not gods.

...He's only doing his job. If Satan were not doing his job how could we prove ourselves? We need temptation. No one gets to God without going through Satan.

I don’t think there is any Biblical reason to think he is just doing his job.

But that is the way he is biblically presented.

And I don’t think we need temptation.

The Garden story ...AND the Temptation of Christ story - beg to differ from what you think and don't think.

Temptation can come also without Satan, he is not necessary for that.

The Subject is not temptation but Satan...primarily the Qs asked in the OP.

Q: How does one recognize the devil?

Q: Where is the devil today?