Evolution v Creationism: A Dead Issue

[Jose Fly]

As someone who spent a lot of time on the evolution v creationism battles over the last 20 years, I've noticed that in the last 5 years or so the issue seems to have largely gone off the radar. In the message boards that are still around (both Christian and secular) it's barely debated, if at all. Websites specifically dedicated to countering creationist talking points such as talkorigins and pandasthumb have gone silent, seemingly because there just isn't much to talk about.

Surveys have shown that younger Americans accept the reality of evolution at pretty much the same rate as the rest of the developed world. Thanks to national focus on science education by organizations like the NCSE, evolution is more widely taught than ever, even in the deep south. The Discovery Institute (the main "intelligent design" organization) stopped advocating for ID creationism to be taught in schools years ago, and they closed their alleged "research arm" last year.

On the science front, creationism remains as it has for over a century....100% scientifically irrelevant.

So for all practical intents and purposes, this debate is over. There isn't any sort of public debate over teaching creationism, nor is there any real debate about whether evolution should be taught. For sure there's still work to do in some parts of the country (mostly the south and interior west) where even though evolution is officially required, teachers don't teach it either because it's "too controversial" or they don't believe it themselves, but big picture-wise, "evolution v creationism" is in about the same state as "spherical v flat earth"....nothing more than something a handful of people argue about on the internet, but outside of that has little to no significance. And even on that front it's kinda dead....most forums where it's openly debated have a very skewed ratio where there's like 10 "evolutionists" for every 1 creationist.

Glad to see it!

[Sherlock Holmes]

This just gets better and better. The intelligent design proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not and they also don't even know what intelligence is. It's called comedy gold for a reason.

"We can tell how come it."

"How?"

"Well about that."

One's led to conclude the intelligent design propentist is missing em the one part of it.

Can you look at something and determine if it was designed or not? Nope.

That's how come lest I drawed it, I don't claim it was designed.

Can you even define intelligence? Nope.

I might not can define it.

But you can't approach it.

Do you know what a conversation is? Nope.

Bull butter.

A conversation's where the pretty thing says we need to talk, but only she gets to do it.

Can you disagree with someone without ridiculing what they say? Nope.

Still ain't found ya no mirror, have ya?

I ain't here to comfort your insulterous, inflammatory, put down style of debate.

I'm here to point out how you employ insults and slander when the -ahem- conversation don't go your way, but then you cry like a baby when you get you your fee fees hurt.

Nobody cares Joey, nobody cares, save your energy sonny.

If nobody cares, how come you took the time and effort to respond?

And how might we confirm you polled the entire planet of folks, and found not the first one of the many billions of em don't give em a dang?

I'm not responding, I don't even exist, this is all a hallucination yall's experiencing.

[brunumb]

This just gets better and better. The evolution proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not and they also don't even know what intelligence is. It's called comedy gold for a reason.

Huh? That doesn't even make sense. The theory of evolution is not based on either. Intelligent design requires both. You are just putting more, unnecessary nails in the coffin of creationism.

[JoeyKnothead]

This just gets better and better. The intelligent design proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not and they also don't even know what intelligence is. It's called comedy gold for a reason.

"We can tell how come it."

"How?"

"Well about that."

One's led to conclude the intelligent design propentist is missing em the one part of it.

Can you look at something and determine if it was designed or not? Nope.

That's how come lest I drawed it, I don't claim it was designed.

Can you even define intelligence? Nope.

I might not can define it.

But you can't approach it.

Do you know what a conversation is? Nope.

Bull butter.

A conversation's where the pretty thing says we need to talk, but only she gets to do it.

Can you disagree with someone without ridiculing what they say? Nope.

Still ain't found ya no mirror, have ya?

I ain't here to comfort your insulterous, inflammatory, put down style of debate.

I'm here to point out how you employ insults and slander when the -ahem- conversation don't go your way, but then you cry like a baby when you get you your fee fees hurt.

Nobody cares Joey, nobody cares, save your energy sonny.

If nobody cares, how come you took the time and effort to respond?

And how might we confirm you polled the entire planet of folks, and found not the first one of the many billions of em don't give em a dang?

I'm not responding, I don't even exist, this is all a hallucination yall's experiencing.

"I'm not responding." He responded.

[JoeyKnothead]

This just gets better and better. The evolution proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not

Evolution proponents don't claim design has anything to do with it.

and they also don't even know what intelligence is.

Evolution proponents don't claim an intelligent agent's involved in it.

Really? evolution is a theory invented by human minds.

It might be best to just stick to them claims it is you're proud about, and quit trying to stuff em into the mouths of others.

Or what? you'll stamp your feet?

Later dude, as soon as you say something that I can regard as a sign of intelligence I'll reply.

He replied, while declaring I'd hafta indicate me some intelligence for him to do it.

Again with the insults.

If I said you was smart as a clod, would ya take that for praise, or shame?

[Sherlock Holmes]

This just gets better and better. The evolution proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not

Evolution proponents don't claim design has anything to do with it.

and they also don't even know what intelligence is.

Evolution proponents don't claim an intelligent agent's involved in it.

Really? evolution is a theory invented by human minds.

It might be best to just stick to them claims it is you're proud about, and quit trying to stuff em into the mouths of others.

Or what? you'll stamp your feet?

Later dude, as soon as you say something that I can regard as a sign of intelligence I'll reply.

He replied, while declaring I'd hafta indicate me some intelligence for him to do it.

Again with the insults.

If I said you was smart as a clod, would ya take that for praise, or shame?

I'd not care, go ahead and call me whatever you like, let her rip!

[JoeyKnothead]

This just gets better and better. The evolution proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not

Evolution proponents don't claim design has anything to do with it.

and they also don't even know what intelligence is.

Evolution proponents don't claim an intelligent agent's involved in it.

Really? evolution is a theory invented by human minds.

It might be best to just stick to them claims it is you're proud about, and quit trying to stuff em into the mouths of others.

Or what? you'll stamp your feet?

Later dude, as soon as you say something that I can regard as a sign of intelligence I'll reply.

He replied, while declaring I'd hafta indicate me some intelligence for him to do it.

Again with the insults.

If I said you was smart as a clod, would ya take that for praise, or shame?

I'd not care, go ahead and call me whatever you like, let her rip!

I prefer to call you one who can debate without having to resort to insults.

[Jose Fly]

This just gets better and better. The intelligent design proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not and they also don't even know what intelligence is. It's called comedy gold for a reason.

Creationist: I believe in intelligent design.

What do you mean by "intelligence"?

Creationist: Don't know.

What do you mean by "design"?

Creationist: Don't know.

Um....good talkin' with ya?

[Sherlock Holmes]

This just gets better and better. The intelligent design proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not and they also don't even know what intelligence is. It's called comedy gold for a reason.

Creationist: I believe in intelligent design.

What do you mean by "intelligence"?

Creationist: Don't know.

What do you mean by "design"?

Creationist: Don't know.

Um....good talkin' with ya?

Evolutionist: I don't believe in intelligent design.

What do you mean by "intelligence"?

Evolutionist: Don't know.

What do you mean by "design"?

Evolutionist: Don't know.

Um....good talkin' with ya?

[JoeyKnothead]

This just gets better and better. The intelligent design proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not and they also don't even know what intelligence is. It's called comedy gold for a reason.

Creationist: I believe in intelligent design.

What do you mean by "intelligence"?

Creationist: Don't know.

What do you mean by "design"?

Creationist: Don't know.

Um....good talkin' with ya?

Evolutionist: I don't believe in intelligent design.

What do you mean by "intelligence"?

Evolutionist: Don't know.

What do you mean by "design"?

Evolutionist: Don't know.

Um....good talkin' with ya?

There ya go... Try to make out like folks're making claims they ain't.

If you had you an nth of integrity you'd just tell what ya had to tell.

Instead, we get your dooficity.

[Sherlock Holmes]

This just gets better and better. The intelligent design proponents haven't worked out how to definitively establish if something is designed or not and they also don't even know what intelligence is. It's called comedy gold for a reason.

Creationist: I believe in intelligent design.

What do you mean by "intelligence"?

Creationist: Don't know.

What do you mean by "design"?

Creationist: Don't know.

Um....good talkin' with ya?

Evolutionist: I don't believe in intelligent design.

What do you mean by "intelligence"?

Evolutionist: Don't know.

What do you mean by "design"?

Evolutionist: Don't know.

Um....good talkin' with ya?

There ya go... Try to make out like folks're making claims they ain't.

If you had you an nth of integrity you'd just tell what ya had to tell.

Instead, we get your dooficity.

Are you complaining about my analogy or Jose's?