Does god have morals?

[nobspeople]

Morality is highly subjective to time and geography as well as the individual:
some say stealing is immoral while others make exceptions for what's stolen and the reason;
some say being gay is immoral while others say it's only the act while others say neither is immoral and still others say it's immoral (or at least unacceptable when it's men with men, but not women with women);
at one point, some said it immoral to marry a different race when today, it's mostly seen as a non-issue.
The list continues, but you get the point.

This makes me wonder if god is moral?
The quick answer is either yes (normally said by the faithful because that's what they're supposed to say) or no (mostly by 'the others'). But isn't that judging god's actions by human standards?
What if god has its own moral code, different from humanity's? After all, god didn't think it immoral to wipe out a whole city or drown 99.99% of the population (including babies and women in the middle of giving birth - what did those babies do to you, o god?!?!) as well as almost all living land animals. And god didn't see it immoral to kill various armies in the bible.

For discussion:
Is god, by human standards, moral or no?
Or does god have its own moral code which we can't access?

[nobspeople]

Morality is highly subjective to time and geography as well as the individual:
some say stealing is immoral while others make exceptions for what's stolen and the reason;
some say being gay is immoral while others say it's only the act while others say neither is immoral and still others say it's immoral (or at least unacceptable when it's men with men, but not women with women);
at one point, some said it immoral to marry a different race when today, it's mostly seen as a non-issue.
The list continues, but you get the point.

This makes me wonder if god is moral?
The quick answer is either yes (normally said by the faithful because that's what they're supposed to say) or no (mostly by 'the others'). But isn't that judging god's actions by human standards?
What if god has its own moral code, different from humanity's? After all, god didn't think it immoral to wipe out a whole city or drown 99.99% of the population (including babies and women in the middle of giving birth - what did those babies do to you, o god?!?!) as well as almost all living land animals. And god didn't see it immoral to kill various armies in the bible.

For discussion:
Is god, by human standards, moral or no?
Or does god have its own moral code which we can't access?

It is the Marxist Progressives who believe their morality surpasses that of God. As for the Marxist historically, their agenda wound up killing 10s of millions of people in China, and Russia. No telling the amount of suffering in North Korea or Venezuela. The difference with God, is he is quite patient, but in the end, the wicked, lawless, self righteous, the woke, will pay the piper. As for the Law of God, the 10 Commandments, they are the standard. For the Progressives, the standard is what makes them feel good, and more righteous than all others, and therefore they ration information, as with the fascist burning of books, or the Progressives cutting off information that does not match their twisted views. The Progressives have the ability to burn the aborted, and corrupt and prey on children, but they do not have the freedom to escape judgment. Good mental and physical health will escape them in the present, and life will be lost in the future, but they certainly have the freedom to go ahead and try and lead the "many" down the wide path to "destruction" (Mt 7:13) It is not wise for the pot to judge the potter. But if it makes the pot feel good, well they should be forewarned as to the consequences, and to note, that Obamacare nor their leader Biden, will be able save them from deterioration now and destruction in the future.

Call it what you want to make yourself feel better - it doesn't matter much to me or, I suspect, many others. But that does strike me as an attempted insult - calling people that don't agree with you something you don't agree with or like. I suppose that's a core christian principle ability as that further segregates the 'them's' from the 'you's'.
I'm not sure how patient god is. He kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden for doing what it knew they would do, he drowned an entire planet, killing 99.999% of life, then sent a sacrifice - all within a few thousand years (according to some creationists at least). For an infinite being, that doesn't seem too patient at all. Even on a global scale, it seems rather impatient.
Also, unsure why this has turned into a political issue, but whatever floats one's boat I suspect?

[JoeyKnothead]

Morality is highly subjective to time and geography as well as the individual:
some say stealing is immoral while others make exceptions for what's stolen and the reason;
some say being gay is immoral while others say it's only the act while others say neither is immoral and still others say it's immoral (or at least unacceptable when it's men with men, but not women with women);
at one point, some said it immoral to marry a different race when today, it's mostly seen as a non-issue.
The list continues, but you get the point.

This makes me wonder if god is moral?
The quick answer is either yes (normally said by the faithful because that's what they're supposed to say) or no (mostly by 'the others'). But isn't that judging god's actions by human standards?
What if god has its own moral code, different from humanity's? After all, god didn't think it immoral to wipe out a whole city or drown 99.99% of the population (including babies and women in the middle of giving birth - what did those babies do to you, o god?!?!) as well as almost all living land animals. And god didn't see it immoral to kill various armies in the bible.

For discussion:
Is god, by human standards, moral or no?
Or does god have its own moral code which we can't access?

It is the Marxist Progressives who believe their morality surpasses that of God. As for the Marxist historically, their agenda wound up killing 10s of millions of people in China, and Russia. No telling the amount of suffering in North Korea or Venezuela. The difference with God, is he is quite patient, but in the end, the wicked, lawless, self righteous, the woke, will pay the piper. As for the Law of God, the 10 Commandments, they are the standard. For the Progressives, the standard is what makes them feel good, and more righteous than all others, and therefore they ration information, as with the fascist burning of books, or the Progressives cutting off information that does not match their twisted views. The Progressives have the ability to burn the aborted, and corrupt and prey on children, but they do not have the freedom to escape judgment. Good mental and physical health will escape them in the present, and life will be lost in the future, but they certainly have the freedom to go ahead and try and lead the "many" down the wide path to "destruction" (Mt 7:13) It is not wise for the pot to judge the potter. But if it makes the pot feel good, well they should be forewarned as to the consequences, and to note, that Obamacare nor their leader Biden, will be able save them from deterioration now and destruction in the future.

Call it what you want to make yourself feel better - it doesn't matter much to me or, I suspect, many others. But that does strike me as an attempted insult - calling people that don't agree with you something you don't agree with or like. I suppose that's a core christian principle ability as that further segregates the 'them's' from the 'you's'.
I'm not sure how patient god is. He kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden for doing what it knew they would do, he drowned an entire planet, killing 99.999% of life, then sent a sacrifice - all within a few thousand years (according to some creationists at least). For an infinite being, that doesn't seem too patient at all. Even on a global scale, it seems rather impatient.
Also, unsure why this has turned into a political issue, but whatever floats one's boat I suspect?

When the bible teaches that nonbelievers're "fools", it shouldn't surprise anyone when a Christian calls em marxists.

But we risk getting in trouble for calling em idiots.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to Miles in post #46]

And just to clear up the matter of your "biblically." I'm not sure what import your "biblically" is suppose to lend to your claim, but how about unbiblically? Could god rightfully be unbiblically accused of murder"?

God can be accused of many things, good and bad.
If god is the 'creator of all things', like so many say, ultimately, god is responsible for EVERYTHING that exists EVERYWHERE at ANY and ALL TIMES.
Death, birth, murder, pimples, balding, abortions, gay sex, rape, balloons, reptiles, nitrogen, the loud motorcycle that went down your street the other day, poop....the list is literally never ending.

[2ndpillar2]

Morality is highly subjective to time and geography as well as the individual:
some say stealing is immoral while others make exceptions for what's stolen and the reason;
some say being gay is immoral while others say it's only the act while others say neither is immoral and still others say it's immoral (or at least unacceptable when it's men with men, but not women with women);
at one point, some said it immoral to marry a different race when today, it's mostly seen as a non-issue.
The list continues, but you get the point.

This makes me wonder if god is moral?
The quick answer is either yes (normally said by the faithful because that's what they're supposed to say) or no (mostly by 'the others'). But isn't that judging god's actions by human standards?
What if god has its own moral code, different from humanity's? After all, god didn't think it immoral to wipe out a whole city or drown 99.99% of the population (including babies and women in the middle of giving birth - what did those babies do to you, o god?!?!) as well as almost all living land animals. And god didn't see it immoral to kill various armies in the bible.

For discussion:
Is god, by human standards, moral or no?
Or does god have its own moral code which we can't access?

It is the Marxist Progressives who believe their morality surpasses that of God. As for the Marxist historically, their agenda wound up killing 10s of millions of people in China, and Russia. No telling the amount of suffering in North Korea or Venezuela. The difference with God, is he is quite patient, but in the end, the wicked, lawless, self righteous, the woke, will pay the piper. As for the Law of God, the 10 Commandments, they are the standard. For the Progressives, the standard is what makes them feel good, and more righteous than all others, and therefore they ration information, as with the fascist burning of books, or the Progressives cutting off information that does not match their twisted views. The Progressives have the ability to burn the aborted, and corrupt and prey on children, but they do not have the freedom to escape judgment. Good mental and physical health will escape them in the present, and life will be lost in the future, but they certainly have the freedom to go ahead and try and lead the "many" down the wide path to "destruction" (Mt 7:13) It is not wise for the pot to judge the potter. But if it makes the pot feel good, well they should be forewarned as to the consequences, and to note, that Obamacare nor their leader Biden, will be able save them from deterioration now and destruction in the future.

Call it what you want to make yourself feel better - it doesn't matter much to me or, I suspect, many others. But that does strike me as an attempted insult - calling people that don't agree with you something you don't agree with or like. I suppose that's a core christian principle ability as that further segregates the 'them's' from the 'you's'.
I'm not sure how patient god is. He kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden for doing what it knew they would do, he drowned an entire planet, killing 99.999% of life, then sent a sacrifice - all within a few thousand years (according to some creationists at least). For an infinite being, that doesn't seem too patient at all. Even on a global scale, it seems rather impatient.
Also, unsure why this has turned into a political issue, but whatever floats one's boat I suspect?

It is only political in that the Progressives think they are more moral than God, and determine it is better to kill innocent unborn, than to interrupt their party. That will have a consequence for all, but the greater consequence will be for the self righteous woke.

[Tcg]

It is only political in that the Progressives think they are more moral than God, and determine it is better to kill innocent unborn, than to interrupt their party. That will have a consequence for all, but the greater consequence will be for the self righteous woke.

The question under consideration is whether or not God has morals. If he doesn't, it's not hard for anyone to be more moral than God no matter their political persuasion. As for as the consequences mentioned, there's nothing to be concerned about absent verifiable evidence of them. Even if such were provided, it'd not help in any way to determine if God has morals.


Tcg

[nobspeople]

Morality is highly subjective to time and geography as well as the individual:
some say stealing is immoral while others make exceptions for what's stolen and the reason;
some say being gay is immoral while others say it's only the act while others say neither is immoral and still others say it's immoral (or at least unacceptable when it's men with men, but not women with women);
at one point, some said it immoral to marry a different race when today, it's mostly seen as a non-issue.
The list continues, but you get the point.

This makes me wonder if god is moral?
The quick answer is either yes (normally said by the faithful because that's what they're supposed to say) or no (mostly by 'the others'). But isn't that judging god's actions by human standards?
What if god has its own moral code, different from humanity's? After all, god didn't think it immoral to wipe out a whole city or drown 99.99% of the population (including babies and women in the middle of giving birth - what did those babies do to you, o god?!?!) as well as almost all living land animals. And god didn't see it immoral to kill various armies in the bible.

For discussion:
Is god, by human standards, moral or no?
Or does god have its own moral code which we can't access?

It is the Marxist Progressives who believe their morality surpasses that of God. As for the Marxist historically, their agenda wound up killing 10s of millions of people in China, and Russia. No telling the amount of suffering in North Korea or Venezuela. The difference with God, is he is quite patient, but in the end, the wicked, lawless, self righteous, the woke, will pay the piper. As for the Law of God, the 10 Commandments, they are the standard. For the Progressives, the standard is what makes them feel good, and more righteous than all others, and therefore they ration information, as with the fascist burning of books, or the Progressives cutting off information that does not match their twisted views. The Progressives have the ability to burn the aborted, and corrupt and prey on children, but they do not have the freedom to escape judgment. Good mental and physical health will escape them in the present, and life will be lost in the future, but they certainly have the freedom to go ahead and try and lead the "many" down the wide path to "destruction" (Mt 7:13) It is not wise for the pot to judge the potter. But if it makes the pot feel good, well they should be forewarned as to the consequences, and to note, that Obamacare nor their leader Biden, will be able save them from deterioration now and destruction in the future.

Call it what you want to make yourself feel better - it doesn't matter much to me or, I suspect, many others. But that does strike me as an attempted insult - calling people that don't agree with you something you don't agree with or like. I suppose that's a core christian principle ability as that further segregates the 'them's' from the 'you's'.
I'm not sure how patient god is. He kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden for doing what it knew they would do, he drowned an entire planet, killing 99.999% of life, then sent a sacrifice - all within a few thousand years (according to some creationists at least). For an infinite being, that doesn't seem too patient at all. Even on a global scale, it seems rather impatient.
Also, unsure why this has turned into a political issue, but whatever floats one's boat I suspect?

It is only political in that the Progressives think they are more moral than God, and determine it is better to kill innocent unborn, than to interrupt their party. That will have a consequence for all, but the greater consequence will be for the self righteous woke.

No this is only political because you made it so.

[William]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

Is god, by human standards, moral or no?

It depends upon the humans and the standards the humans employ. In that, humans seem to be unable to agree, which may signify that human standards re morality cannot be trusted to provide an accurate answer.

Or does god have its own moral code which we can't access?

If so, the question is meaningless as no accurate answer can be given.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

Is god, by human standards, moral or no?

It depends upon the humans and the standards the humans employ. In that, humans seem to be unable to agree, which may signify that human standards re morality cannot be trusted to provide an accurate answer.

Or does god have its own moral code which we can't access?

If so, the question is meaningless as no accurate answer can be given.

I wouldn't say the question is meaningless - no question is if it gets one to think. And I'm not sure no answer can be given. According to some, god gives them answers 'all the time' (if god exists, that is to say).
But for the intents of this thread, I would agree on the last point. Even if god DOES exists and gives the same answer to everyone, humanity is unlikely to be able to stand up to its standard.

[Diogenes]

There appear to be two distinct set of morals in the Bible. There is one represented by Jesus which indicates we should treat others the way we would like to be treated. This is reflected in many other passages including examples set out in the Ten Commandments.

There is another view that can be deduced from some passages of scripture; that there are no morals or laws whatsoever, that the only ultimate test is "Whatever God Says;" that this Biblical 'god' is beyond law, beyond morality, because he is the maker of laws and the universe. This Biblical 'god' does indeed act like 'he' is beyond the rule of law; that 'he' repeatedly violates those laws by murdering millions, torturing, and ordering others to violate 'his' own rules.

The first set of morals is human, comprehensible and has nearly universally agreement cross culturaly.
The second set is the stuff of myth.

[tam]

Peace to you!

Morality is highly subjective to time and geography as well as the individual:
some say stealing is immoral while others make exceptions for what's stolen and the reason;
some say being gay is immoral while others say it's only the act while others say neither is immoral and still others say it's immoral (or at least unacceptable when it's men with men, but not women with women);
at one point, some said it immoral to marry a different race when today, it's mostly seen as a non-issue.
The list continues, but you get the point.

This makes me wonder if god is moral?
The quick answer is either yes (normally said by the faithful because that's what they're supposed to say) or no (mostly by 'the others'). But isn't that judging god's actions by human standards?
What if god has its own moral code, different from humanity's? After all, god didn't think it immoral to wipe out a whole city or drown 99.99% of the population (including babies and women in the middle of giving birth - what did those babies do to you, o god?!?!) as well as almost all living land animals. And god didn't see it immoral to kill various armies in the bible.

For discussion:
Is god, by human standards, moral or no?

I should hope not! Have we looked at some of the things that humans consider moral? It changes over time, but still.

And when it is written "God's ways are higher than our ways", it doesn't mean what some have twisted that into meaning: such as someone saying that 'hell' (eternal conscious torment) is an example of higher morality. Religions (supposedly acting morally) have burned 'witches' at the stake (though I am sure the women accused of witchcraft would disagree with the morality of the act.) Even in the bible, it is mentioned that people burn their children in the fire, and that this is something that would NEVER have come from God. (Jeremiah 32:35)

I digress...

God (the God and Father of Christ) is love. His law (the law that is/has been true from the beginning), the law that comes from Him... is love. There were allowances made in the written law to account for the hard hearts of the people, but Christ corrected those when asked about them. "Moses gave you this law because your hearts were hard, but it was not this way from the beginning." And of course there is also the lying pen of the scribes that has mishandled the law (Jeremiah 8:8). God acts always from love, because that is who He is. I personally prefer to use the word love over moral, or at least emphasize that the morality of God would be defined by love.

Or does god have its own moral code which we can't access?

We can access love.

Love also covers over a multitude of sins.



Peace again to you and to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy