Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[onewithhim]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2459]

You've never understood the purpose of mankind's creation.

You are the one that doesn't understand, though it's been spelled out to you many times. It is ridiculous to think that God made the earth for man and yet wants to populate it with spirits. If he wanted everyone to be spirits he would've created us that way. There would be no need for the earth at all.

God's will will be done on Earth as it is in heaven, and it will be for the descendants of Adam in perfect physical bodies, to fulfill his original purpose for the earth and humans.

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[Miles]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2459]

You've never understood the purpose of mankind's creation.

Which is what?

Chapter and verse would be appreciated.


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[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2459]

You've never understood the purpose of mankind's creation.

Then educate me (and remember I can see readily through a wall of text so it would be best you stick to the point) the point being GENESIS 1:31.

GENESIS 1:27b , 28

... God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it ....

GENESIS 1:31

After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good.+ And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.

1. God created perfect humans and commanded that (through procreation) the planet earth be filled with Adam and Eve' s perfect human offspring.

2. Since God pronounced all he created (which would include his command) "very good" so everything in point #1 above was perfect and fit for purpose.

3. To thereafter CHANGE any part of that purpose is a de facto admission of failure on His part since YHWH had commanded what He wanted.

So you take GENESIS 1:31 which comes after the divine mandate to fill this very planet with perfect ("very good") humans and use your bible to prove he can change his purpose to it being filled with "very good" SPIRITS (wiping out the human race entirely) without it being an admission that his "very good" wasn't so good after all.

Over to you!

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2459]

You've never understood the purpose of mankind's creation.

Which is what?

Chapter and verse would also be appreciated.

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In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and placed a host of angels on the earth as caretakers. Some of these caretakers, led by Satan, rebelled against God's authority. As a result the earth came to be without form, void, and dark.

At this point God intervened. He returned, recreated the earth and made mortal mankind a little lower than the angels to be trained as replacement caretakers for those who rebelled. The original angels assigned to the earth were obviously not respecters of their creator at the time of their rebellion. These lower beings (mankind) must respect and believe in the Son of God as a prerequisite to becoming a spiritual being which lives forever.

Man is in training to learn that the best way to rule the earth is under the rules of God. Meanwhile, Jesus has gone to prepare a new place for humans who accept Him. When He returns to save man from decimating the earth as the original caretakers did, He will bring the new place He has prepared with Him. The Genesis recreation required six days, after which God rested on the seventh day. The age of man's dominion over the earth will follow this same pattern, but in God days, as a thousand years is like one of our days to God:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (II Peter 3:8)

Mankind thus has six thousand years from the Genesis recreation to dominate the earth. A sabbath "day" of rest, the thousand-year millennium, will follow these six thousand years. Upon Jesus' return, those who believed on Him will be born a second time as spiritual beings. They will then become eternal keepers of the earth under Jesus' rule -- replacing those who rebelled. Those of mankind who are not born again as spirits will be cast into the lake of fire and their resurrected physical bodies will be killed a second time. This second death is permanent. There is no way to return from the second death, it is eternal. That is the end of them.

So God's purpose in creating mankind is to replace the angels who rebelled and left their first estate from those of mankind who qualify and accept the assignment.

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We (mankind) are here on the earth to learn that the best way to do things is God's way. The original angels did not have any training for their assignment of maintaining the earth. They were created and designed directly for that purpose.

Mankind is being groomed to eventually replace the angels who rebelled under Satan.

Adam and Eve were created, given responsibilities, authorities over their environment, one command from God, and the result of obeying or disobeying that command.

Satan is immortal and remains as the tempter.

Did mankind's eating of the forbidden fruit accomplish any good?

Absolutely. Mankind learned that in this case God's way was much better than Satan's.

But in general, is the process of teaching mankind through the school of hard knocks working?

Possibly the second most brilliant man to ever live reached the following conclusion upon reviewing his life on earth:

Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labor that I had labored to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 2:11)

After a lifetime of seeking treasure, women, and whatever appeared to bring him pleasure; Solomon reached this final conclusion of the whole matter of life:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

This is lesson we are here to learn in our short human lifetime, that we should fear God and keep His commandments.

We typically learn this lesson by trying our way and failing.

[myth-one.com]

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[myth-one.com]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2459]
You've never understood the purpose of mankind's creation.

Then educate me (and remember I can see readily through a wall of text so it would be best you stick to the point) the point being GENESIS 1:31.

GENESIS 1:27b , 28

... God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it ....

GENESIS 1:31

After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good.+ And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.

1. God created perfect humans and commanded that (through procreation) the planet earth be filled with Adam and Eve' s perfect human offspring.

2. Since God pronounced all he created (which would include his command) "very good" so everything in point #1 above was perfect and fit for purpose.

You are changing the words of God here. God created everything "very good" -- not perfect. If man was created perfect, there would be nothing for him to learn.

3. To thereafter CHANGE any part of that purpose is a de facto admission of failure on His part since YHWH had commanded what He wanted.

Man's purpose is to learn that God's way is the best way, so that they will be less likely to rebel against God as the original angels did. God could have created robots if He wanted perfection.

So you take GENESIS 1:31 which comes after the divine mandate to fill this very planet with perfect ("very good") humans and use your bible to prove he can change his purpose to it being filled with "very good" SPIRITS (wiping out the human race entirely) without it being an admission that his "very good" wasn't so good after all.

Over to you!

Please quote the Bible as inspired by God. If not, please quote your outside sources when you apply different words to what God actually said.

God created mankind very good -- not perfect. Only God is perfect. He created man very good so man could seek perfection.

That is the goal.

[Revelations won]

Dear Onewithhim,

I would have to agree with myth-one.com who has make some very clear points in responding to your claims.

Do JW’s claim that mortality was not part of God’s plan for his children who were placed on this earth?

Kind regards.
RW

[JehovahsWitness]

Do JW’s claim that mortality was not part of God’s plan for his children who were placed on this earth?

The scriptural evidence is overwhelming, death was never part of his purpose for humans.





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[JehovahsWitness]

1. God created perfect humans and commanded that (through procreation) the planet earth be filled with Adam and Eve' s perfect human offspring

.... God created everything "very good" -- not perfect.

Are you claiming Jehovah can create anything that is less than perfect?

DEUTERONOMY 32:4 - ESV

The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice

Who created Adam and Eve? Was it not YHWH whose works are always PERFECT?




JW

[JehovahsWitness]

3. To thereafter CHANGE any part of that purpose is a de facto admission of failure on His part since YHWH had commanded what He wanted.

Man's purpose is to learn that God's way is the best way, so that they will be less likely to rebel against God as the original angels did. ...

This in no way addresses the issue. Either God was voicing what he wanted or He was not. When he commanded the flesh and blood humans procreate and fill the earth it (an earth filled with humans) was either what he wanted or it was not.

Which was it?

GENESIS 1:27b , 28

... God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it ....

JW


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