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Paradise on Earth

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When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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myth-one.com wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:08 am Was the same word "nephesh" used to refer to both man and animals in the original Old Testament scriptures?
Was the same word "psuche" used to refer to both man and animals in the original New Testament scriptures?
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:43 pm This is an example of the fallacy'of .... "False equivalence"
No, they are "yes" or "no" questions.

Or perhaps you simply do not know.

The correct answer to both questions is "yes".

Now you know, so your not knowing is no longer a possible answer.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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myth-one.com wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:08 am Was the same word "nephesh" used to refer to both man and animals in the original Old Testament scriptures?
Was the same word "psuche" used to refer to both man and animals in the original New Testament scriptures?
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:43 pm This is an example of the fallacy'of .... "False equivalence"
No, they are "yes" or "no" questions.

Or perhaps you simply do not know.

The correct answer to both questions is "yes".

Now you know, so your not knowing is no longer a possible answer.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29
Matthew 5:5 states biblical Jesus saying "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

There is no 'forever' in that - Just that the meek inherit the earth...

Matthew 5:3 states biblical Jesus saying "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

We could infer from that- since heaven is the realm of the immortal - that the poor in spirit will experience the kingdom of heaven forever.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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DOES THE BIBLE REALLY HOLD OUT THE HOPE OF LIVING FOREVER ON THIS OUR PLANET EARTH?
PSALMS 37:29

The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it
REVELATION 21:4

And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
JOHN 11: 25, 26

The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all
PSALM 72:8

In his days the righteous .will flourish and peace will abound until the moon is no more. He will have subjects from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the earth.


ORIGINAL PURPOSE
What his God's purpose for mankind?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 14#p967714

Was God's original purpose that humans live forever on earth?
viewtopic.php?p=1062683#p1062683

Was God's original purpose* for mankind that ALL humans live forever in paradise?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 45#p967845

Is it true that physical flesh and blood human beings can NEVER live forever?
viewtopic.php?p=1075541#p1075541

Were humans designed to live forever?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 82#p815882
ON EARTH
Is there scriptural support that the righteous will live in this our planet EARTH?
viewtopic.php?p=867770#p867770

Does the word PARADISE refer to a sprititual or a physical realm?
viewtopic.php?p=882754#p882754

Does the bible say the earth was ever purposed for spirits?
viewtopic.php?p=992721#p992721

Where will spirit anointed Christians spend eternity?
viewtopic.php?p=1075634#p1075634

If people live forever and continue to reproduce, wont the earth become overpopulated?
viewtopic.php?p=832237#p832237

Once the earth is fully populated , will God remove human genitials
viewtopic.php?p=1075265#p1075265


LIVE FOREVER

Is there scriptural evidence that God intended physical flesh and blood human beings live forever?
viewtopic.php?p=1075541#p1075541

Does the bible really hold out te hope of living on this physical planet earth forever ?
viewtopic.php?p=1074617#p1074617

What does the bible mean by "forever" when it speaks of the righteous living on earth ?
viewtopic.php?p=1075557#p1075557

Does Genesis 6:3 mean humans were decreed to live no longer than 120 years?
viewtopic.php?p=1056497#p1056497

Will it be righteous angels or humans that will live on earth FOREVER?
viewtopic.php?p=1075568#p1075568
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EVERLASTING LIFE, IMMORTALITY and ...THE PURPOSE OF LIFE
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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William wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:54 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #2234]
Animals can't sin, unlike people.
Yet we know animals die. So we are left with an unsolved contradiction regarding sin being the reason for death.
Plants die too. Do they add to the conundrum? Let's use our power of reason and understand that plants, animals and humans are separate groups with their own rules. Humans were made to live forever, but animals were not.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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William wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:27 pm
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29
Matthew 5:5 states biblical Jesus saying "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

There is no 'forever' in that - Just that the meek inherit the earth...

Matthew 5:3 states biblical Jesus saying "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

We could infer from that- since heaven is the realm of the immortal - that the poor in spirit will experience the kingdom of heaven forever.
You didn't read Psalm 37:9-11 and 29.

"The meek will possess the earth and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace....The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:11,29)

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:21 pm
William wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:54 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #2234]
Animals can't sin, unlike people.
Yet we know animals die. So we are left with an unsolved contradiction regarding sin being the reason for death.
Plants die too. Do they add to the conundrum? Let's use our power of reason and understand that plants, animals and humans are separate groups with their own rules. Humans were made to live forever, but animals were not.
Did YHWH not breath life into plants and animals? What do you think is the defining difference, aside from unsupported belief that human were made to exist forever?
I suppose this circle back to the idea that the planet was made to exist forever, but the science appears to disagree with this belief...

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:21 pm
William wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:54 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #2234]
Animals can't sin, unlike people.
Yet we know animals die. So we are left with an unsolved contradiction regarding sin being the reason for death.
Plants die too. Do they add to the conundrum? Let's use our power of reason and understand that plants, animals and humans are separate groups with their own rules. Humans were made to live forever, but animals were not.
There is no contradiction, and humans were created to die exactly like the other animals:
Hebrews 9:27 wrote:And it is appointed unto men once to die, . . .

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:25 pm
William wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:27 pm
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29
Matthew 5:5 states biblical Jesus saying "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

There is no 'forever' in that - Just that the meek inherit the earth...

Matthew 5:3 states biblical Jesus saying "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

We could infer from that- since heaven is the realm of the immortal - that the poor in spirit will experience the kingdom of heaven forever.
You didn't read Psalm 37:9-11 and 29.

"The meek will possess the earth and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace....The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:11,29)
No I didn't read that. It appears Jesus was quoting the scripture of the day in his sermon to those who would have been familiar with said scripture.

But it does appear that both Jesus and the author of the scripture he part-quoted, were unaware that this earth would not last forever.
I wonder if it bothers the meek and righteous that while they await their promised inheritance, every day that passes adds human-made pollution to the situation?

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myth-one.com wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:44 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:21 pm
William wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:54 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #2234]
Animals can't sin, unlike people.
Yet we know animals die. So we are left with an unsolved contradiction regarding sin being the reason for death.
Plants die too. Do they add to the conundrum? Let's use our power of reason and understand that plants, animals and humans are separate groups with their own rules. Humans were made to live forever, but animals were not.
There is no contradiction, and humans were created to die exactly like the other animals:
Hebrews 9:27 wrote:And it is appointed unto men once to die, . . .
That's what I love about the bible! It has something for everyone, because "contradictions"

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