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The Central Problem with Christianity

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Jesus (and Paul) thought the world was going to end soon. This is why Jesus told people to give away their possessions, and Paul taught people should not marry. Jesus spoke very specifically about the world ending in the lifetime of those he preached to. [I won't go into the verses, because it will spawn the usual verbal gymnastics about how he did not mean what he said]

Christians, for the most part, ignore the idea of not attaining wealth. They also ignore the admonition not to marry. They ignore these basic Christian teachings because they don't like them. Instead, they claim Jesus didn't really mean what he said about the end coming soon. This provides cover for getting married and accumulating wealth.

The question for debate is, "Why do most Christians marry and try to accumulate wealth despite the very clear New Testament admonitions to do the opposite?
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor
rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.
__ Matthew 6:19-20
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Diogenes wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:43 pm(...)
Well, internet is full of fake news. :D

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Diogenes wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:43 pm
It is not my claim. It was the claim of an independent inquiry.

I see no such claim in the quotations provided. Where is it claimed that: "The official Jehovahs Witness policy that their members NOT report allegations or suspicions of child sexual abuse to the proper authorities unless the abuse is personally witnessed by two individuals or a confession obtained" ?
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Re: The Central Problem with Christianity

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:40 pm
Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:18 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 3:50 pm
Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 3:44 pm
Who am I, a mere outsider, to judge the policy of the vaunted Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?
I did not ask you to "judge the policy" I asked..
Are you claiming that it is official Jehovahs Witness policy that their members NOT report allegations or suspicions of child sexual abuse to the proper authorities unless the abuse is personally witnessed by two individuals or a confession obtained ?
To which I said: "Seems to be the case." >>that:

"it is official Jehovahs Witness policy that their members NOT report allegations or suspicions of child sexual abuse to the proper authorities unless the abuse is personally witnessed by two individuals or a confession obtained"

Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:18 pmfor which I presented an article from the Atlantic web site as evidence ...


Are you suggesting the Jehovah's Witnesses publish their official policy via thr Atlantic post?
Don't really care, but I do note that the Atlantic did get the goods on Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.


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Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:40 pm
Are you suggesting the Jehovah's Witnesses publish their official policy via the Atlantic post?
Don't really care...
Well then I presume you will leave the question unanswered.



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Eloi wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:42 pm
Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:35 pm (...) I see no reason to believe you.
And what makes you think I care? :P
Because you went to the bother of informing me that:

"It can "seems to be the case" and you can present any article that makes you "feel" something.
In short words: it is false; that is not our official policy. Now you know
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Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:50 pm (...) Don't really care, but I do note that the Atlantic did get the goods on Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
Don't really care but it doesn't seem that you are interested in discovering the truth about it.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't really care when people lie about us; it is part of what Jesus said would happen.

Mat. 5:11 "Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. 12 Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you.

You can already see how we feel about it. Since I don't know much English (I use Google translator most of the time) I guess that when you say "get the goods" you mean how happy Jesus said we would feel about this reality.

Those who should be concerned are the authorities, who are now analyzing laws to limit disinformation on the Internet and other social media. You should worry about that also.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:52 pm
Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:50 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:40 pm
Are you suggesting the Jehovah's Witnesses publish their official policy via thr Atlantic post?
Don't really care...
Well then I presume you will leave the question unanswered.
Boy, most people would figure out that "I don't care" means "No. I'm not suggesting any such thing," but whatever.



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Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 5:07 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:40 pm
Are you suggesting the Jehovah's Witnesses publish their official policy via thr Atlantic post?

.... No. I'm not suggesting any such thing,"
Well, my question was concerning the published Jehovahs Witness policy.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:48 pmWhere is it claimed that: "The official Jehovahs Witness policy that their members NOT report allegations or suspicions of child sexual abuse to the proper authorities unless the abuse is personally witnessed by two individuals or a confession obtained" ?

Evidently you did not go to source. Where would one have to go to find the published publically available Jehovah's Witnesses policy ? Do you know?

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What are the published Jehovah's Witnesse Child Protection Policies ? Jehovah's Witnesses' Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection
https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal- ... rotection/
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JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , CHILD ABUSE and ...SEXUAL IMMORALITY,
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Re: The Central Problem with Christianity

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Eloi wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:46 pm
Diogenes wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:43 pm(...)
Well, internet is full of fake news. :D
Does this include https://www.jw.org/en/?
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"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 5:12 pm
Miles wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 5:07 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 4:40 pm
Are you suggesting the Jehovah's Witnesses publish their official policy via thr Atlantic post?

.... No. I'm not suggesting any such thing,"
Well, my question was concerning the published Jehovahs Witness policy. Evidently you did not go to source. Where would one have to go to read what the Jehovah's Witnesses policy is? Do you know?
FYI, As you've written it, your question was not about "the published Jehovahs Witness policy,"---that which has already been published---but about publishing their official policy---that which is to be published: See below.

"Are you suggesting the Jehovah's Witnesses publish their official policy via thr Atlantic post?"



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