The Central Problem with Christianity

[Diogenes]

Jesus (and Paul) thought the world was going to end soon. This is why Jesus told people to give away their possessions, and Paul taught people should not marry. Jesus spoke very specifically about the world ending in the lifetime of those he preached to. [I won't go into the verses, because it will spawn the usual verbal gymnastics about how he did not mean what he said]

Christians, for the most part, ignore the idea of not attaining wealth. They also ignore the admonition not to marry. They ignore these basic Christian teachings because they don't like them. Instead, they claim Jesus didn't really mean what he said about the end coming soon. This provides cover for getting married and accumulating wealth.

The question for debate is, "Why do most Christians marry and try to accumulate wealth despite the very clear New Testament admonitions to do the opposite?

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor
rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.

__ Matthew 6:19-20

[JehovahsWitness]

What you do or do not see doesn't change the reality ... and adds no value to the discussion of the sexual abuse which exists ...

Well then let me add something of value ....

FURTHER READING :




What are the published Jehovah's Witnesse Child Protection Policies ? Jehovah's Witnesses' Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection
https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal- ... rotection/

RELATED POSTS

Have any legal entities established that the Jehovah's Witnesses systematically seek to "cover up" child sexual abuse cases amongst their membership?
viewtopic.php?p=914050#p914050

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , CHILD ABUSE and ...SEXUAL IMMORALITY,

[Tcg]

Well then let me and something of value ....

Let's check out something of true value in this discussion. As I stated previously, it is not hard to find articles which document the sexual abuse which occurs within the JW branch of Christianity. And as I have always done, I'll provide a link to this documentation.

Jehovah's Witnesses sued over 'historical sex abuse'

John Viney, who says he was abused between the ages of nine and 13, by "a distant family member who was an active Jehovah's Witness", added children were still being abused and the religious organisation was "inadvertently" protecting their abusers.

"The way that Jehovah's Witnesses handle matters within the congregation, it's a closed shop," he told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme.

"I know for a fact now that there are parents that haven't done anything about the abuse of their children by others because they don't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51006771

Finding documentation like this is about as hard as finding a three leaf clover.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

Jehovahs Witnesses do not claim that our organisation is 100% free from the problem of sexual abuse, sadly no organisation can. If your point was to highlight that such problems exist then on that we can agree.

If however you are suggesting our policies tolerate or encourage such behaviours (or as you earlier claimed JWs do not view molestation as bad), or that Jehovahs Witnesses have a higher occurance of this problem than the general populace, then you are mistaken.

NOTE: While no organisation can claim to be able to perfectly ensure all individuals respect guidelines (and mistakes in policy and/or implementation have been made in the past, notable in the 1980's and early 90s ), to insinuate that Jehovah's Witnesses systematically fail to take sexual abuse of children seriously, blame or sanction the victims or discouraged reporting abuse is unfounded slander.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , CHILD ABUSE and ...SEXUAL IMMORALITY,

[Tcg]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #123]

I've already documented that they do. What a sad state of affairs. Well, disgusting state of affairs is the more accurate response.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #123]

I've already documented that they do.

That they do what ? "tolerate or encourage such behaviours"? Are you suggesting that the teachings and policies of Jehovahs Witnesses tolerate or encourage sexual abuse ?

[Tcg]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #123]

I've already documented that they do.

That they do what ?

That they do what you claim they don't.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

I claimed that the teachings and policies of Jehovahs Witnesses do not tolerate or encourage sexual abuse.

That is a true statement as supported by the publically pubished policies that are referenced below.

FURTHER READING :




What are the published Jehovah's Witnesse Child Protection Policies ? Jehovah's Witnesses' Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection
https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal- ... rotection/

Any allegations that JWs do not view molestation as bad or that such behaviours are encouraged in our literature are entirely unfounded.



RELATED POSTS

Have any legal entities established that the Jehovah's Witnesses systematically seek to "cover up" child sexual abuse cases at the highest level and amongst their membership?
viewtopic.php?p=914050#p914050

Do Jehovahs Wintsses claim their organisation is entirely free of child sexual abuse?
viewtopic.php?p=1077405#p1077405

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , CHILD ABUSE and ...SEXUAL IMMORALITY,

[Tcg]

I claimed that the teachings and policies of Jehovahs Witnesses do not tolerate or encourage sexual abuse.

That is a true statement as supported by the publically pubished policies that are referenced below.

Of course, the JW organization is going to make this claim. The actual experience of JWs, which I have documented repeatedly, paints a different reality.



Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

I have no reason to believe unsubstantiated claims that Jehovah's Witnesses have published teachings and policies that support child sexual abuse.. Not least because this would probably constitute a criminal offense in most States.



JW

[Tcg]

I claimed that the teachings and policies of Jehovahs Witnesses do not tolerate or encourage sexual abuse.

That is a true statement as supported by the publically pubished policies that are referenced below.

Of course, the JW organization is going to make this claim. The actual experience of JWs, which I have documented repeatedly, paints a different reality.



Tcg

I have no reason to believe unsubstantiated claims that Jehovah's Witnesses have published teachings and policies that support child sexual abuse..

JW

None of the claims I have presented are unsubstantiated.


Tcg