Easter Traditions?

[Tcg]

Are there any Easter Traditions that are related specifically to Jesus' resurrection? The Easter eggs hunts, bunnies and pastel-colored candies seem to be a celebration of spring. Certainly, sermons will be preached on Jesus' resurrection, but are there any Easter Traditions that Christians practice with their families that are focused on Jesus?


Tcg

[Difflugia]

(1) I must have imagined there was a reference to the sacrifice of lambs, but John 19 14 says that it was the day of preparation for the Passover, which makes it clear that (for John) the Passover feast was eaten on the day after the crucifixion.

That's easy to do and I still do that myself. The orthodox tradition conflates the Gospel stories so much that I usually need to double-check what each evangelist actually wrote to make sure my memory isn't playing tricks on me.

And I just wonder whether this ritual 'sacrifice' occasioned Paul's ceremonial mantra and that was back - engineered into a screenplay of the last supper (which i suspect may have been the supper that Martha prepared on the day Jesus arrived from Jericho - if it was true at all) which is little more than making this the origin of this ceremonial saying plus the 'betrayal' (handing over to the powers of darkness, as Paul says) turned into a played out betrayal by one of Jesus' followers. Hypothetical, but it would clear up these puzzles.

I think you're absolutely right. Paul only mentions Passover once (1 Cor. 5:7-8) and in a way that's obviously metaphorical and not tied to any of the mentions of the Eucharist, including his most detailed description of it in the same letter (11:23-34).

[JehovahsWitness]

Okay if that is your point you're not far off. One Passover meal - followed by the 7 day Passovet festival. This is nothing new, its a matters'of documented history.

Don't you mean a matter of contradiction in the Gospels? Two supposed Passover feasts of different days...

Everything seems a contradiction if one is ignorant of facts: The Hebrew bible commanded the Jews to have a commemorative meal on Nisan 14. And then to hold a 7 day festival from the 15th to the 21st.

What is contradictory about the above?



JW

[JehovahsWitness]

Wednesday Passover lambs sacrificed, I suppose.

No, if Jesus died on the Friday then the Passover meal [Sedar] lamb would have been sacrifices on the evening of Thursday .

[TRANSPONDER]

Yes. The apologetic is that passover was a week long and the seder feast was eaten first after the sacrifices, and then there was the rest of the festival and the priests were still keeping themselves ritually pure. There are problems in that Jesus is Not dying on the day of sacrifices which misses the point of a sacrifice for sins a bit and some adroit fiddling has to be done with what the day of preparation' meant.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Day-of-Preparation.html

I guess one could say the day of preparation was for the Sabbath which Saturday fell during Passover but that wasn't the Seder feast. The link I posted appeals to 'surely the eyewitnesses couldn't have got it wrong' but if they were not eyewitnesses, sure they could end up in contradiction. So yes you can find an excuse, which does require us to swallow the disappointment of Jesus NOT dying on the day of sacrifice of sacrificial lambs and of seeing the day of preparation as being for the Sabbath rather than for the Seder feast, which (the synoptics say) must have been the previous evening. The last Supper being the Seder feast.

But look at John 18.28 in tandem with 19.14 The priests had to keep pure to 'eat the Passsover'. and it was the day of preparation. So whatever the day of preparation referred to - Seder feast or Sabbath, the Seder feast hadn't been eaten yet. So John still contradicts the Synoptics, which say that it had - at the Last Supper. And I really don't think it will wash to try to make 'eat the Passover' some metaphor that doesn't actually mean that they hadn't yet eaten it.

So nice try JW but I don't think it washes, do you?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #54

There are problems in that Jesus is Not dying on the day of sacrifices which misses the point of a sacrifice for sins

It actually misses the point more than that since, technically, the paschal lamb wasn't offered as a sacrifice for sin anyway. In order for Jesus to die to take away the people's sins in an authentically ritualistic way, he would have had to be not a lamb, but a goat, have the people's sins placed onto him and then be sent out to die in the wilderness.

[JehovahsWitness]

There are problems in that Jesus is Not dying on the day of sacrifices which misses the point of a sacrifice for sins ...

Firstly there is no scripture that says the Messiah has to die on the day of a temple sacrifice for his on death to be a valid equivalent or that every aspect of his death had to line up in perfect paralell to the animals sacrifices. Any so-called "problem" in this regard exists solely in the imagination of those that dream up ad hoc "all or notheing" rules around strawman criticism.

The Messiah would carry the sins of his people, he was to die 3 1/2 after his baptism, but which (if any) aspects of the Jewish festivals wlould directly parallel his death would only be seen with hindsight.



WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT OF THE DAY JESUS DIED?



According to the narrative, Jesus died on the day the Israelites commemored their liberation of from Egyptian slavery. He is recorded as saying he had waited for this day specifically and it was during the Passover meal, (not the following festival), that a new Christian annual memorial, that which commemorated a greater liberation was inaugurate.

We recall that it was the blood of the passover lamb that saved each individual household from suffering the death of their firstborn. The subsequent Priestly class of Levites were dedicated to God in payment for this fact. The "takehome" from this is the death of the Passover lamb was not for the atonement of sin (something that was only to be done in the temple/tabernacle) and was redemptive in nature; it bought the nation their freedom as expressed through their Priestly class.

The significance of this was not lost on the Apotle Paul who refered to Christ as our Passover. Having gained their freedom because of the blood of the lamb, the Israelites were then in a position to come into a special relationship with the God of their forefathers - but none of that would have been possible without the lamb - the parallèles are obvious to bible students .

NOTE The festival that immediately followed was not one of atonement but of thanksgiving, as Paul put it a celebration . It was Yop Kippor (the festival of Atonement) in Octobre, that was dedicated to atonement or covering over the sins of the Priests and the nation.





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[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #54

There are problems in that Jesus is Not dying on the day of sacrifices which misses the point of a sacrifice for sins

It actually misses the point more than that since, technically, the paschal lamb wasn't offered as a sacrifice for sin anyway. In order for Jesus to die to take away the people's sins in an authentically ritualistic way, he would have had to be not a lamb, but a goat, have the people's sins placed onto him and then be sent out to die in the wilderness.

Excellent point. I may be completely misunderstanding the Christian dogma, but I had the idea that Paul mooted the idea (in Romans) that Jesus allowed God to let him be crucified and, by obedience to death, wiped out the disobedience of Adam and removed original sin (or made a loophole in it that could be accessed by Jesusfaith). It was not the blood itself that wiped out sin but the blood and the sacrifice just seems to have become associated with sacrificial lambs, and blood of the lamb imagery can't be ignored.

However as you say it was the scapegoat that was actually used to offload Jerusalem's collective guilt, annually.

[TRANSPONDER]

There are problems in that Jesus is Not dying on the day of sacrifices which misses the point of a sacrifice for sins ...

Firstly there is no scripture that says the Messiah has to die on the day of a temple sacrifice for his on death to be a valid equivalent, any so-called "problem" in this regard exists solely in the imagination of those that dream up ad hoc rules around strawman criticism.


The Messiah would carry the sins of his people, he was to die 3 1/2 after his baptism, but which (if any) aspects of the Jewish festivals wlould directly parallel his death would only be seen with hindsight.



WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT OF THE DAY JESUS DIED?



According to the narrative, Jesus died on the day the Israelites commemored their liberation of from Egyptian slavery. He is recorded as saying he had waited for this day specifically and it was during the Passover meal, (not the following festival), that a new Christian annual memorial, that which commemorated a greater liberation was inaugurate.

We recall that it was the blood of the passover lamb that saved each individual household from suffering the death of their firstborn. The subsequent Priestly class of Levites were dedicated to God in payment for this fact. The "takehome" from this is the death of the Passover lamb was not for the atonement of sin (something that was only to be done in the temple/tabernacle) and was redemptive in nature; it bought the nation their freedom as expressed through their Priestly class.

The significance of this was not lost on the Apotle Paul who refered to Christ as our Passover.

NOTE The festival that immediately followed was not one of atonement but of thanksgiving. It was Yop Kippor (the festival of Atonement) that was dedicated to atonement or covering over the sins of the Priests and the nation.

See my response above. Whatever the Jewish tradition was, Jesus as the sacrificial lamb whose blood atoned for sin appears to have become dogma. In which case the symbolism of the crucifixion on Passover can hardly be coincidental. However what is more important, is do you concede that there is a real contradiction between John and the synoptics on when the Passover meal was eaten, either on the Thurday at the Last supper or on the day, or some later day, after the crucifixion?

P.s if I get the way this is going it would suggest that the gospels do not record what made sense to Jesus and his followers but rather reflected the ideas and beliefs of later Christians who had misunderstood the symbolism. I agree that Paul as a Jew would not make this mistake and Jesus' sacrifice for him was about Genesis rather than Exodus.

P.p s though damn - you are right Paul himself associated this Jesus sacrifice with the paschal lamb, so yes, if he wasn't crucified when the Lambs were being killed, it sorta misses the point, just as I said. Haven't you debunked what you said that it wasn't really associating the two, Jesus' crucifixion and the Paschal sacrifices?

[JehovahsWitness]

There are problems in that Jesus is Not dying on the day of sacrifices which misses the point of a sacrifice for sins ...

Firstly there is no scripture that says the Messiah has to die on the day of a temple sacrifice for his on death to be a valid equivalent, any so-called "problem" in this regard exists solely in the imagination of those that dream up ad hoc rules around strawman criticism.


The Messiah would carry the sins of his people, he was to die 3 1/2 after his baptism, but which (if any) aspects of the Jewish festivals wlould directly parallel his death would only be seen with hindsight.



WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT OF THE DAY JESUS DIED?



According to the narrative, Jesus died on the day the Israelites commemored their liberation of from Egyptian slavery. He is recorded as saying he had waited for this day specifically and it was during the Passover meal, (not the following festival), that a new Christian annual memorial, that which commemorated a greater liberation was inaugurate.

We recall that it was the blood of the passover lamb that saved each individual household from suffering the death of their firstborn. The subsequent Priestly class of Levites were dedicated to God in payment for this fact. The "takehome" from this is the death of the Passover lamb was not for the atonement of sin (something that was only to be done in the temple/tabernacle) and was redemptive in nature; it bought the nation their freedom as expressed through their Priestly class.

The significance of this was not lost on the Apotle Paul who refered to Christ as our Passover.

NOTE The festival that immediately followed was not one of atonement but of thanksgiving. It was Yop Kippor (the festival of Atonement) that was dedicated to atonement or covering over the sins of the Priests and the nation.

... Whatever the Jewish tradition was, Jesus as the sacrificial lamb whose blood atoned for sin appears to have become dogma.

So? Lambs, goat, bulls sheep even pigeons ...were all used in various festivals as blood sacrifices for sin, so there is nothing problematic in associating Jesus with the sin atoning properties of sacrificial lambs under the Hebrew temple system. Why did John not call Jesus "The goat of God" or "The Bull of God" (much more valuable) or even ...."The pigeon of God " ... that takes away the sins of the world? We cannot say for sure, arguably LAMB is more closely associated with the silent, submissive nature of his sacrifice

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[Athetotheist]

Firstly there is no scripture that says the Messiah has to die on the day of a temple sacrifice

There is no scripture that says the Messiah has to die at all.

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