Do animals have spirit?

[Inquirer]

I have two Italian Greyhounds, here's a picture of them:

Are these animals just lumps of matter or is there something more to them? Is it only people that are not lumps of matter?

[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #95]

Jehovah's energy, so to speak, imparts life to the person or animal, in fact, all living things.

Is the Energy intelligent?

No.

God is the intelligence behind the Spirit.

Why separate GOD from Spirit?

I haven't separated them.

Referring to things as 'them' automatically separates.

The Spirit comes directly from God.

But is not GOD. Is that what you are claiming?

[JoeyKnothead]

I just gotta tell it..

When there's a debate on if critters have em a spirit or not, well how bout that.

If none of my dogs made it to Heaven, can it really be called Heaven?

How'm I gonna know who really was a good boy, if there ain't no dogs in Heaven? No way they're all evil.

Cats, on the other hand...

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #95]

Jehovah's energy, so to speak, imparts life to the person or animal, in fact, all living things.

Is the Energy intelligent?

No.

God is the intelligence behind the Spirit.

Why separate GOD from Spirit?

I haven't separated them.

Referring to things as 'them' automatically separates.

The Spirit comes directly from God.

But is not GOD. Is that what you are claiming?

No, YOU have made the effort to separate "them." Of course the Spirit is not God. It emanates FROM God, like power emanates from an electrical facility. The power is not the electrical facility.

[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #103]

Of course the Spirit is not God. It emanates FROM God, like power emanates from an electrical facility. The power is not the electrical facility.

So - what you may be attempting to convey, is that the facility which creates the Energy is GOD, but the Energy itself is not GOD?

The Energy itself is NOT intelligent, but the Facility which produces the Energy IS, and is GOD?

[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #103]

Of course the Spirit is not God. It emanates FROM God, like power emanates from an electrical facility. The power is not the electrical facility.

So - what you may be attempting to convey, is that the facility which creates the Energy is GOD, but the Energy itself is not GOD?

The Energy itself is NOT intelligent, but the Facility which produces the Energy IS, and is GOD?

GM and I discussed this morning;

GM: [368]
"Sometimes it just looks like rain"
[Changes mind when truth is presented]
Less understood and less acknowledged

William: The "Power-Station Concept"
viewtopic.php?p=1084079#p1084079

GM: From the link;

Spirit is not God. It emanates FROM God, like power emanates from an electrical facility. The power is not the electrical facility.

GM: What Is Found Here?

William: The analogy makes GOD a Machine...

GM: Cycle Chance, "That is Correct"

William: If it were, that makes the physical universe created from the Energy, 'the machine' because that is the only machinery we see.
This in turn makes the "Creates Itself Fallacy" questionable...which is why GOD is conveniently placed outside of the universe.
Even so - this make GOD a machine creating a machine...
Then we have the atheist foot in the door asking "what created the GOD machine?" and reminding us of the "absurdity of infinite regression" [while infinite progression remains strangely valid]
"Talk to The Hand." {SOURCE}

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #103]

Of course the Spirit is not God. It emanates FROM God, like power emanates from an electrical facility. The power is not the electrical facility.

So - what you may be attempting to convey, is that the facility which creates the Energy is GOD, but the Energy itself is not GOD?

The Energy itself is NOT intelligent, but the Facility which produces the Energy IS, and is GOD?

Yes.

[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #103]

Of course the Spirit is not God. It emanates FROM God, like power emanates from an electrical facility. The power is not the electrical facility.

So - what you may be attempting to convey, is that the facility which creates the Energy is GOD, but the Energy itself is not GOD?

The Energy itself is NOT intelligent, but the Facility which produces the Energy IS, and is GOD?

Yes.

That is like unto the Star Wars universe where The Force can be integrated with the individuals consciousness and used for both 'dark-side' and 'light-side' activity.

The Power-Station analogy doesn't exclude The Force from originating from a mechanistic device. [Power Station]

The device is simply hidden and as a Power Station it requires being accounted for as to how it came to be built.

We have the atheist foot in the door asking "what created the GOD machine?" and reminding us of the "absurdity of infinite regression" [while infinite progression remains strangely valid]

Isaac Asimov summed it up succinctly with his fireside telling of it ... The Last Question

Consciousness created The Machinery.

For some reason, Consciousness is able to effect the Quantum Field and through the vibrations of this interaction, Energy is created and form with function is manifested.

The "function" aspect is solely the dominion of Consciousness.

In that, the equation;

0 ‽ E & ∴ ‽ F c̅ QM [Consciousness Creates Energy And Thereby Creates Functional Form With Quantum Matter

0 ‽ F c̅ E + 0 [Consciousness Creates Functional Form With Energy and Consciousness]

Q: How is Energy produced by Consciousness? [What is the fundamental nature of Energy?]