I remember a TV preacher once asking his broadcast audience, "If you were Satan....." I don't remember the rest of the question, but I seem to remember that he was talking about prophecy and arguing that Satan was up to some diabolical mischief ("If you were Satan, isn't that what you would do?").
A lot of detail in Christian scripture about what is to happen before Jesus returns is tied to the activity of "Satan". The appearance of the "antichrist", in particular, is supposed to be part of Satan's last gambit before he goes down to utter defeat.
Since it was asked of me how I would react if I were Satan, I think it's fair for me to answer. I know that "Satan" is supposed to be a being of superhuman intelligence, but I can't help thinking that if such a being actually existed and if I were that being, I could do a lot better.
If I were "Satan", I would scrap the antichrist plan. If it's all laid out in the Bible, then everyone knows what to expect and you've lost the element of surprise. With that one simple deviation from the prophetic scenario, the whole thing would be gummed up. No antichrist, no mark of the beast, no abomination of desolation, no anything I was supposed to do as Satan to set the stage for the return of Jesus. And without those prophetic components in place, Jesus couldn't return to fulfill prophecy. And how could anyone stop me? I wouldn't be taking some action which could be prevented; I would be defeating prophecy by not taking action.
So let me pass the preacher's question on to you. If you were "Satan", what would you do----or not do----to thwart prophecy?
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Post #171It's not complex, JW. I don't know what claim it is you want me to support, and you refuse to document it. How very odd. You claim I refuse to support a claim you refuse to describe. Most puzzling.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:58 am
Oddly you refuse to support your claim, why is that? I am not here to help you follow the contents of your own posts ....will you support your claim yes or no?
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Post #172[Replying to Tcg in post #167]
*Moan* He claimed rightly that the first obstacle in thwarted prophecy would be that mainstream christianity thinks it not to be possible for prophecy to be thwarted.
That way of thinking makes sense, since an omnipotent god is supposed to be able to enforce his own prophecys to happen, no matter what.(Second obstacle)
Since you, Tcg (does that mean: Thwarting cognitive genius?) claimed that prophecy can be thwarted, it oblieges you to explain above two obstacles away!
The OPer would be well advised to do the same if he wishes for rational debate of his OP.
*Moan* He claimed rightly that the first obstacle in thwarted prophecy would be that mainstream christianity thinks it not to be possible for prophecy to be thwarted.
That way of thinking makes sense, since an omnipotent god is supposed to be able to enforce his own prophecys to happen, no matter what.(Second obstacle)
Since you, Tcg (does that mean: Thwarting cognitive genius?) claimed that prophecy can be thwarted, it oblieges you to explain above two obstacles away!
The OPer would be well advised to do the same if he wishes for rational debate of his OP.
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Post #173Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:02 amIt's not complex, JW. I don't know what claim it is you want me to support, and you refuse to document it. How very odd. You claim I refuse to support a claim you refuse to describe. Most puzzling.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:58 am
Oddly you refuse to support your claim, why is that? I am not here to help you follow the contents of your own posts ....will you support your claim yes or no?
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If its not complex doit yourself. You made the claim yet oddly claim you cant remember it when challenged. Support your cliam please.
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Post #174No, it doesn't. Care to address the subject with something other than an obvious insult?The Nice Centurion wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:03 am
Since you, Tcg (does that mean: Thwarting cognitive genius?)
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Post #175What claim are you referring to, JW?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:04 amTcg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:02 amIt's not complex, JW. I don't know what claim it is you want me to support, and you refuse to document it. How very odd. You claim I refuse to support a claim you refuse to describe. Most puzzling.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:58 am
Oddly you refuse to support your claim, why is that? I am not here to help you follow the contents of your own posts ....will you support your claim yes or no?
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If its not complex doit yourself. You made the claim yet oddly claim you cant remember it when challenged. Support your cliam please.
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Post #176[Replying to Tcg in post #175]
I exclaimed your plain, err . . . I explained your claim.
So support it, or please dont plaster this thread with senseles back and forth questions!
I exclaimed your plain, err . . . I explained your claim.
So support it, or please dont plaster this thread with senseles back and forth questions!
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Post #177I explained fully. Now care to address your claim rather than avoid it? can you support your claim yes or no?
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Post #178Well great. Perhaps you can answer the question that remains unanswered. What claim are you talking about?The Nice Centurion wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:12 am [Replying to Tcg in post #175]
I exclaimed your plain, err . . . I explained your claim.
So support it, or please dont plaster this thread with senseles back and forth questions!
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Post #179Which claim are you claiming I claimed that you suggest I need to support? I can't evade a question that hasn't been fully described.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:14 amI explained fully. Now enough of your evasion , can you support your claim yes or no?
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Post #180I have to wonder why those that constantly make unsupported claims have selective amnesia when asked for evidence. I have given you all the help I can, I have explained and identified your claim for you yet oddly you claim now to have no recollection of the above.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:16 amWhich claim are you claiming I claimed that you suggest I need to support? I can't evade a question that hasn't been fully described.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:14 amI explained fully. Now enough of your evasion , can you support your claim yes or no?
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Do you intend to support you claim? (Genuine question)
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