The Atonement

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To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

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Those who are born into this world are sinners by nature, . . .

Jesus Christ was born into this world. If He was born as a sinner, He could not also save us from our sins.

. . . whom Christ was made a Surety for, they have no indebtedness to God's Law, they are born as sinners, as enemies by nature and children of wrath, with all their sins forgiven because they had been charged to Christ !7

All mankind is appointed to die once:

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The wages for our sins is the second and everlasting death:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

For Jesus to have paid the wages for our sins, He would have to have been cast into the lake of fire. Tell us when that occurred.

He obviously did not pay the wages for anyone's sins! That is, He was not cast into the lake of fire and perish. So He did not pay the wages for our sins.

Christ was born as a Jew under the Old Testament Covenant, lived a sinless human life, and died under that covenant. Thus He is an heir unto everlasting life under that will. His inheritance is His to do with as He pleases.

What He does with it is to create a New Testament which offers His inheritance to those humans who believe in Him as their Savior.

Thus everlasting life for mankind becomes a gift of God through Jesus Christ.

The gift of everlasting life received by Christians is what saves them! Death, of any type, does not affect them because they will become immortal beings when born again of the Spirit as spiritual bodied beings.

Ta dah!

[Brightfame52]

Christ's Death God-ward accomplished much for those He died for before they ever believe in Him. For example, That which the elect are by nature as other men, children of wrath Eph 2:3, Enemies Rom 5:10, enemies in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21, yet because of Christ's finished work for them, they are not the objects of God's Wrath, not ever, but only objects of His Mercy. You see, with them, their sinfulness by nature only constitutes them what God afore ordained, Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

All the Legal condemnation that they deserve along with others, the vessels of wrath, theirs has been effectively dealt with by the Cross of Jesus Christ, for He died for all their sins in the flesh. Even after the New Birth, that Old Man that they remain in, and what carries the New Man, it still is very sinful, because it was born out of corruptible seed, the fallen Adam. Their sin nature of adam is not eradicated, but is still alive and well in the Saint of God, for that is Paul's argument in Rom 7 and Johns point in 1 Jn 1:8. However that Old Man with all of its deceitful lusts is still the object of God's mercy, David said as a New Creature Ps 130:3

If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

But that Old Man born out of Adam shall experience an Adoption, a Salvation in the Day of Redemption, Paul calls it The Redemption of the Body, this Body of Death Rom 7:24 cp Rom 8:23, so this Body and its deeds can never be under God's Legal Condemnation and Wrath, His Fatherly Chastening, Yes, but never wrath and condemnation.

The Sinful Bodies of the Saints, that did incur condemnation in Adam Rom 5:18, but it [The merited condemnation] was imputed to Christ's Charge, their Surety and Head, and He came Legally and imputatively under God's Wrath and Condemnation for them, in their stead, so not at anytime are they condemned by God's Law, but to the contrary are made objects of mercy, Mercy and Condemnation does not mix !

So the Elect are Blessed and privileged above others who are born sinners, for they had no Surety !7

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So the Elect are Blessed and privileged above others who are born sinners, for they had no Surety !

. . . Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

If God plays favorites as you claim, is that being "just and true"?

It doesn't seem fair.

[Brightfame52]

So the Elect are Blessed and privileged above others who are born sinners, for they had no Surety !

. . . Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

If God plays favorites as you claim, is that being "just and true"?

It doesn't seem fair.

I never said God played favorites, yet He did choose some people over others. Thats part of His Ways Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

[myth-one.com]

So the Elect are Blessed and privileged above others who are born sinners, for they had no Surety !

. . . Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

If God plays favorites as you claim, is that being "just and true"?

It doesn't seem fair.

I never said God played favorites, yet He did choose some people over others. Thats part of His Ways Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

God chose the Nation of Israel in the Old Testament to be the children of God.

The elect are those chosen under the New Testament Covenant for salvation.

These are totally different groups.

The elect in the New Testament are those who believe in Christ as their Savior.

I believe that the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah.

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So the Elect are Blessed and privileged above others who are born sinners, for they had no Surety !

. . . Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

If God plays favorites as you claim, is that being "just and true"?

It doesn't seem fair.

I never said God played favorites, yet He did choose some people over others. Thats part of His Ways Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

God chose the Nation of Israel in the Old Testament to be the children of God.

The elect are those chosen under the New Testament Covenant for salvation.

These are totally different groups.

The elect in the New Testament are those who believe in Christ as their Savior.

I believe that the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah.

Choosing the Nation of Israel Typified, and Shadowed and taught that God has a special people above all others that He loves above all others, but only this special people is comprised of different races of people, yet its only one people.

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Choosing the Nation of Israel Typified, and Shadowed and taught that God has a special people above all others that He loves above all others, but only this special people is comprised of different races of people, yet its only one people.

Nope, God loves and desires the best for everyone.

God chooses the most unlikely candidates or groups of people when selecting those to carry out special tasks or leadership roles.

Why? Because the weaker you are, the more spectacular your accomplishment will be for God's glory.

Let's consider that small nation of Israel which is surrounded by enemies. Suppose these enemies banded together and planned a coordinated secret attack on all fronts during the holiest Israeli religious holiday of the year. A day in which virtually no one, including most of the military, is allowed to work. What would be the world's opinion if Israel was totally defeated and driven into the sea? That would certainly be no surprise. Most would agree that was the expected outcome.

On the other hand, what if Israel somehow managed to quickly regroup and defeat the invaders on all fronts within only a few days? That would certainly be a shock! With the overwhelming odds against them, they could certainly not have overcome the enemy through their limited strength. Many would conclude that certainly God was on their side! This is exactly what occurred during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973.

This is how God operates through the nations and individuals He chooses. As compared to man's theory of combat, God takes a totally opposite approach when fighting battles. Man cannot have too many soldiers or too much equipment, whereas God always wants His side to be the decisive underdog.

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mythone

Nope, God loves and desires the best for everyone.

Nope Just Israel ! A Chosen People. Who is promised to be saved here in the Lord Isa 45:17


But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

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mythone

Nope, God loves and desires the best for everyone.

Nope Just Israel ! A Chosen People. Who is promised to be saved here in the Lord Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

There will always be a nation of Israel.

Do you think the Jews believe in Jesus as their Savior? Are they saved in that regards?

And I find it sad that God doesn't love you.

Actually, the Bible states that God is Love:

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Where does the Bible state that God only loves the Israelis?

[Brightfame52]

It Brings Forth Fruit, New Birth !

Jn 12:24

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

1 Pet 1:23,3

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

It was a manifest established principle from the beginning, that God ordained that a seed reproduces its Kind:

Gen 1:11,12

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Jesus is that corn of wheat that shall fall into the ground and die, and hence bring forth fruit of its kind ! In other words Jesus Christ is a Seed Gal 3:16; Gen 3:16 and God ordained this method for Him to bring forth fruit after His Kind, to die !

This is how the Second Adam was to be fruitful and Multiply after His Kind !

Its like one solitary seed of a Tree, its put into the ground, it undergoes death, a decomposition [ not in a putrefying sense, but in a breakdown of component sense] and then germination, and so it begins to Grow into a Tree of many roots, twigs and branches, and leaves and fruit after its Kind ! Where did it all come from ? That One Seed that fell into the ground and Died ! Through that Death of that Seed comes Life to its seed 1 Pet 1:3, 23.

Folks the Death of Christ results in Life, not a possibility of Life, not a Offer of Life, but it begets us into a Lively Hope. That word Lively is the greek word zaō and means:


to live, breathe, be among the living (not lifeless, not dead)

2) to enjoy real life

a) to have true life and worthy of the name

b) active, blessed, endless in the kingdom of God

3) to live i.e. pass life, in the manner of the living and acting

This is an Accomplishment of the Death of Christ Jn 12:24

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Fruit here would be Living converts ! His Death Produces Converts, Fruit, People after His Kind, Christians !

To deny this is to deny everything about the Cross of Christ and its Power. If anyone Christ died for does not become a Christian in the True sense of the Word, His Death failed its purpose !