NDEs and visions of Jesus.

[Tcg]

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In many or at least some reports of NDEs, the experiencer reports meeting Jesus during the NDE. Many times, this report comes from one who is a practicing Christian. No surprise there. The question I have concerning this is how do they know it was Jesus they met?

If the story of Judas is correct, the Jewish chief priests and elders had to hire him to point out who Jesus was. Again, if that is true Jesus must have been a rather ordinary looking man. He would not have stood out in the way that many of the illustrations of him suggest. Perhaps if the NDEers are Catholic or have been exposed to the Shroud of Turin their Jesus looks like that image. But, for the others how do they know what Jesus looks like?


Tcg

[Tcg]

I don't believe anyone has seen Jesus in our modern era ... "near death" or not.


JW

Right. As if the modern era has somehow changed Jesus' abilities to appear.

No I dont believe it is a question of {to quote you} "ability" but rather I believe that the purpose of such miraculous manifestations has been fulfilled and they are no longer necessary.


JW

You've yet to establish that there were any "miraculous manifestations." No surprise there. You can't establish that they are no longer necessary until you establish that they ever were a necessary thing. What have you?


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

You've yet to establish that there were any "miraculous manifestations."

I see no need to. I was sharing my beliefs since you asked me directly about them.

See below

So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?

NOTE : I understood "think" to be synonym of "believe" in this circumstance. Do correct me if I misunderstood (in the absence of any correction on your part, the question will be taken as an inquirey as to my personal belief even though we are in the Christianity and Apologetics subforum )



JW

[Tcg]

You've yet to establish that there were any "miraculous manifestations."

I see no need to. I was sharing my beliefs since you asked me directly about them.

See below

So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?

NOTE : I understood "think" to be synonym of "believe" in this circumstance. Do correct me if I misunderstood (in the absence of any correction on your part, the question will be taken as an inquirey as to my personal belief even thougy we are in the Christianity and Apologetics subforum

JW

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I see. So yes, your personal belief is absolutely valueless in a debate setting.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

...your personal belief is absolutely valueless in a debate setting.

If so, why did you ask me about them?

So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?

[Tcg]

...your personal belief is absolutely valueless in a debate setting.

If so, why did you ask me about them?

I didn't.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

Okay fair enough. Would you like to know my opinion /what I think/believe as to whether there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?




JW

[Tcg]

Okay fair enough. Would you like to know my opinion /what I think/believe?

JW

What value would that add to a debate forum? And this time please answer the question directly.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

What value would that add to a debate forum? And this time please answer the question directly.

Valuable to anyone wanting to know (and debate) the beliefs of Jehovahs Witnesses. Is that the case for you? And this time please answer the question directly.

[Tcg]

What value would that add to a debate forum? And this time please answer the question directly.

Valuable to anyone wanting to know (and debate) the beliefs of Jehovahs Witnesses. Is that the case for you? And this time please answer the question directly.

Jehovah's witnesses? I thought this thread was about NDEs. Oh, yes, I initiated this thread, and it is indeed about NDEs. Is that direct enough for you?


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

Jehovah's witnesses? I thought this thread was about NDEs.

Would you like my opinion /beliefs/what I think about on NDEs? And this time please answer the question directly.






JW



NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses