Okay, Let's Cut To The Chase!

[POI]

Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

For Debate:

Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

[Wootah]

Short video 20min on the history of the Jews as proof of God.

[Tcg]

Short video 20min on the history of the Jews as proof of God.

I think the question was about the Christian God. Let me check. Yep, it is about the Christian God.


Tcg

[TRANSPONDER]

Short video 20min on the history of the Jews as proof of God.

I think the question was about the Christian God. Let me check. Yep, it is about the Christian God.


Tcg

Correct. Like the ontological or ID arguments for a Creator, that does not help the case for Christianity. Nor does the history of the Jews, even if one agreed that it proved the Jewish god (I say it doesn't) because Christianity says that Jesus brought in a new creed, which Jews don't accept. So referencing the Jews does not help the case for Christianity or the Christian god.

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...but my answer would be quite honestly, I have no idea. If, however, there is a Christian God and if it is omnipotent, omniscient, and all loving, as some claim, it would know what it would take and if it wanted me to believe, it could reveal itself in a way in which I would. If there is such a God, it has chosen for me and a great many others to not believe. ...

Ok, thanks for your answer. So, now that you think God has not demonstrated His existence, perhaps it means it is not really relevant to do so? Bible tells eternal life is for righteous, which is more than believing God exists. If knowing God exists doesn't make you righteous, it is not useful?

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

However, isn't Bible evidence for that God wants everyone to believe?

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Given that you believe in this God, what did you find was sufficient demonstration of its existence?

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So I now ask, how do you know the Christian God exists?

Thanks for your answer. Reason why I believe is the Bible and that this world exists as described in the Bible. I don't think humans could have made the Bible without God, because it shows better understanding that people otherwise has.

[TRANSPONDER]

...but my answer would be quite honestly, I have no idea. If, however, there is a Christian God and if it is omnipotent, omniscient, and all loving, as some claim, it would know what it would take and if it wanted me to believe, it could reveal itself in a way in which I would. If there is such a God, it has chosen for me and a great many others to not believe. ...

Ok, thanks for your answer. So, now that you think God has not demonstrated His existence, perhaps it means it is not really relevant to do so? Bible tells eternal life is for righteous, which is more than believing God exists. If knowing God exists doesn't make you righteous, it is not useful?

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

However, isn't Bible evidence for that God wants everyone to believe?

That is not presenting reasons to believe in God, but excusing away why there aren't any good reasons to believe. This isn't about you maintaining your Faith and never mind the evidence; it is about what sort of case you can present for God -belief.

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Given that you believe in this God, what did you find was sufficient demonstration of its existence?

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So I now ask, how do you know the Christian God exists?

Thanks for your answer. Reason why I believe is the Bible and that this world exists as described in the Bible. I don't think humans could have made the Bible without God, because it shows better understanding that people otherwise has.

No - and that's the Real discussion we are having. The Bible gets so much wrong, according to the evidence - and you can know it because the Faithful so often retreat behind more or less far -fetched excuses to maintain their Faith and they do NOT present any good reason to credit the Bible. It shows a lack of understanding, knowledge or even a decent logical and ethical sense cover to cover. I don't use the term myself, but 'Bronze age goat - herders' is at least understandable.

[Tcg]

...but my answer would be quite honestly, I have no idea. If, however, there is a Christian God and if it is omnipotent, omniscient, and all loving, as some claim, it would know what it would take and if it wanted me to believe, it could reveal itself in a way in which I would. If there is such a God, it has chosen for me and a great many others to not believe. ...

Bible tells eternal life is for righteous, which is more than believing God exists.

The Bible presents a variety of methods to attain eternal life.

However, isn't Bible evidence for that God wants everyone to believe?

The Bible isn't evidence for God or for what God wants. The Bible makes claims about these things. Claims are not evidence.


Tcg

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However, isn't Bible evidence for that God wants everyone to believe?

Well maybe the actual existence of the bible and the magnitude of its reproduction would make a case for what God might want to tell the world.
(considering it is a book about himself)
Considering the diversity of the world and its cultures, it would be true to say it has touched a lot of lives.
That's an awful lot of evidence of something.

[Tcg]

However, isn't Bible evidence for that God wants everyone to believe?

Well maybe the actual existence of the bible and the magnitude of its reproduction would make a case for what God might want to tell the world.
(considering it is a book about himself)
Considering the diversity of the world and its cultures, it would be true to say it has touched a lot of lives.
That's an awful lot of evidence of something.

It's evidence that some stories become popular and that some of those stories touch people's lives. It isn't evidence of God.


Tcg

[POI]

Reason why I believe is the Bible and that this world exists as described in the Bible. I don't think humans could have made the Bible without God, because it shows better understanding that people otherwise has.

Please start by giving one specific example of this claim?