What if Adam and Eve Had Resisted...?

[William]

IF Adam and Eve had resisted the temptation to eat the forbidden fruit, would they have been permitted to do so eventually?

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #20]

That would have been an overall reward yes.

The OPQ is asking [in context of your argument] "Would they be allowed to eat the fruit they were not allowed to eat of, after having resisted the temptation and they were rewarded eternal life, ?"

There is no reason why they should not be able to do so and every reason why they should be permitted to do so.

[JehovahsWitness]

DID ADAM AND EVE FAIL THE EDENIC "TEST"?

The test was done, the results were in ...

Yes indeed. God was testing the integrity of Adam and Eve and the results came in when they disobeyed Him. They proved unworthy of the reward of everlasting life and were duly expelled from the garden to eventually die as condemned for their sin.

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[JehovahsWitness]

The OPQ is asking [in context of your argument] "Would they be allowed to eat the fruit they were not allowed to eat of, after having resisted the temptation and they were rewarded eternal life, ?

I have already answered that question... ( -> see post #13) : "No they would not have been allowed to eat the fruit they were not allowed to eat of, after having resisted the temptation and their having been rewarded eternal life"

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[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #23]

I have already anwsered that question...

And I have critiqued your reply, which you have yet to respond to. So the answer is still - "Yes".
There is no reason why they should not be able to do so and every reason why they should be permitted to do so.

[1213]

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The impression re the storyline is that the knowledge of good and evil was what caused death. The assumption was that the fruit had the power to give one that knowledge, since they were warned not to eat it....

I think that is a wrong impression. I don't think the fruit itself caused anything. It was the act of eating it that had consequences. It could have been any fruit and it would have had the same effect, if there would be the same conditions of eating it.

[William]

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The impression re the storyline is that the knowledge of good and evil was what caused death. The assumption was that the fruit had the power to give one that knowledge, since they were warned not to eat it....

I think that is a wrong impression. I don't think the fruit itself caused anything. It was the act of eating it that had consequences. It could have been any fruit and it would have had the same effect, if there would be the same conditions of eating it.

In which case, there is no reason why Adam and Eve could not have been allowed to eat the fruit after they had shown their resistance to temptation.

The test was done, the results were in, and the fruit of the tree was not what caused the eventual death of the pair [according to the storyline itself].

I did not say that the fruit caused anything or argue that the fruit had something within it which gave one the ability to know/have knowledge of, good and evil.

It was a prop which YHWH used as a means to an end.
Since there was nothing intrinsically special about the fruit, there should be no reason why the fruit could not be eaten by the pair, after they had resisted the temptation.

It was a deception because - in the biblical telling of it - God [as yet unnamed] - implied to Adam that the fruit itself had the power to give Adam knowledge of good and evil.
YHWH planted a seed into Adams mind, which then germinated into the eventual disobeying of YHWH.

All along, YHWH would have known that any death incurred after Adam disobeyed YHWH, would not be because the of the fruit that had been eaten but rather, because YHWH would have denied Adam access to the fruit of the tree of life.

This begs the question:
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Q: Why would YHWH create a being of nature and not instill that being with knowledge of good and evil, if indeed we agree that without morals, the human specie could not even get a foothold on the back of nature?
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Remember too, that the reason for humans being created was so that they would multiply across the face of the Earth and subdue it.
Since this requires the ability to survive, and since the ability to survive requires knowledge of what is good and what is not [re the reason] it was imperative that Adam also know.

[imperative=of vital importance; crucial.]

[Answers may - nay - will, vary]

[JehovahsWitness]

Since there was nothing intrinsically special about the fruit, there should be no reason why the fruit could not be eaten by the pair, after they had resisted the temptation.

The reason would lie in what the tree represented and by all accounts would continue to represent.

[William]

Since there was nothing intrinsically special about the fruit, there should be no reason why the fruit could not be eaten by the pair, after they had resisted the temptation.

The reason would lie in what the tree represented and by all accounts would continue to represent.

Yes. Re the story, one has no recourse but to accept that the tree was a prop.

This allows us to understand that it is most likely the tree of life was also a prop.

Which begs the question;
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Q: Why did YHWH create a biological creature which was going to die eventually?
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Why create a creature with the intention of having that creature multiply [self replicate] and subdue the planet [Earth] and then imply to that creature that he [Adam] would surely die for doing something he was told not to do, when all along that creature was going to die anyway?

Having the creature believe something which was not true in order to instill within that creature a motivation which would ensure that the creature would multiply and eventually subdue the Earth is an interesting approach to take.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes. Re the story, one has no recourse but to accept that the tree was a prop.

Even "a prop" represents something which is why widows do not use their folded flags as toilet paper after the ceremonies are over...



In this case what the tree represented (and would continue to represent) constitutes the reason for not discontinuing the mandate even if Adam and Eve had not sinned.


JW


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[JehovahsWitness]

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Q: Why did YHWH create a biological creature which was going to die eventually?
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God did not create humans to die eventually.



JW



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