JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[OneWay]

John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[

It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.

It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No

lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.

The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.

I love watching you flop around like a fish out of water.

You contradicted your own self with your own words.

So which one now is God, the King of Kings the Lord of Lords?
The God of the old testament or the God of the new testament?

lol

lol

lol

God gave Jesus those titles. But Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself- sometime after the 1000 year reign. 1Cor 15:24-28-- God of the OT gave his son all authority on earth and in heaven. But that ends at 1Cor 15:24-28-

The verses you quoted do not prove this you have stated. If you think different
then lay out how these verses prove any of this you have stated.

I have already explained this. You choose to ignore what I posted about I Corinthians 15:24-28. It is very clear what these verses mean.

Posting verse and giving your opinion is not proof of anything
except that you can post verses and give your opinion of them.

When you post a verse and then prove the verse is the truth...you will have something of merit.

Till then you have nothing to which is what you started out with in the first place

NOTHING

[OneWay]

Not everything written in the bible is the truth
and certainly not everything that Paul wrote.

So when you post a verse to me...prove it is the truth...first..
before you declare it the truth.

[2timothy316]

Not everything written in the bible is the truth
and certainly not everything that Paul wrote.

So when you post a verse to me...prove it is the truth...first..
before you declare it the truth.

Rules of this forum.

"The purpose of this subforum is to have a place to freely engage in debates on Christian theology with the basic assumption that the Bible can be used as a primary reference without the need to defend its authority. Responses to topics with "but first you have to prove that the Bible is true" is not allowed here."
viewtopic.php?t=3168

[OneWay]

Not everything written in the bible is the truth
and certainly not everything that Paul wrote.

So when you post a verse to me...prove it is the truth...first..
before you declare it the truth.

Rules of this forum.

"The purpose of this subforum is to have a place to freely engage in debates on Christian theology with the basic assumption that the Bible can be used as a primary reference without the need to defend its authority. Responses to topics with "but first you have to prove that the Bible is true" is not allowed here."
viewtopic.php?t=3168

The rules of the forum are debatable are they not?
Your interpretation is false and you try to use them to control free speech.
Because your false doctrine is being exposed.

You are not here to debate,
you are here to preach and persuade the readers
to believe your false doctrine.
WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF THE FORUM.
That is why you are always crying

RULES OF THE FORUM.

You can't win a debate with me.

So you cry

rules of the forum.

[OneWay]

Not everything written in the bible is the truth
and certainly not everything that Paul wrote.

So when you post a verse to me...prove it is the truth...first..
before you declare it the truth.

Rules of this forum.

"The purpose of this subforum is to have a place to freely engage in debates on Christian theology with the basic assumption that the Bible can be used as a primary reference without the need to defend its authority. Responses to topics with "but first you have to prove that the Bible is true" is not allowed here."
viewtopic.php?t=3168

I never ask anyone to defend the authority of the bible.
But I sure can ask that they prove the verse they randomly took out of the bible
not only applies to their opinion but that is proves their opinion other than
it is their opinion it proves their opinion.

I have proved you are falsely accusing me. Just like your false doctrine.

[kjw47]

Do you worship Jesus? Yes or no?

No, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.

John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[

It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.

It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No

lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.

The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.

I love watching you flop around like a fish out of water.

You contradicted your own self with your own words.

So which one now is God, the King of Kings the Lord of Lords?
The God of the old testament or the God of the new testament?

lol

lol

lol

God gave Jesus those titles. But Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself- sometime after the 1000 year reign. 1Cor 15:24-28-- God of the OT gave his son all authority on earth and in heaven. But that ends at 1Cor 15:24-28-

The verses you quoted do not prove this you have stated. If you think different
then lay out how these verses prove any of this you have stated.

Quoting random verses from the bible is not proof of anything,
except you can quote random verses from the bible.

Now you know if you try to attempt this I will easily destroy
your effort with the truth as I have done over and over and over
without fail. All you are doing is flip flopping from one side to the other
to which makes you look as I am presenting you.
A false doctrine.

only in your imagination.

[OneWay]

John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[

It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.

It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No

lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.

The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.

I love watching you flop around like a fish out of water.

You contradicted your own self with your own words.

So which one now is God, the King of Kings the Lord of Lords?
The God of the old testament or the God of the new testament?

lol

lol

lol

God gave Jesus those titles. But Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself- sometime after the 1000 year reign. 1Cor 15:24-28-- God of the OT gave his son all authority on earth and in heaven. But that ends at 1Cor 15:24-28-

The verses you quoted do not prove this you have stated. If you think different
then lay out how these verses prove any of this you have stated.

Quoting random verses from the bible is not proof of anything,
except you can quote random verses from the bible.

Now you know if you try to attempt this I will easily destroy
your effort with the truth as I have done over and over and over
without fail. All you are doing is flip flopping from one side to the other
to which makes you look as I am presenting you.
A false doctrine.

only in your imagination.

I have noticed you never prove anything. Not even with the bible.
You are another one who is not here to debate. You are here for
the JW's to get people to get into your false doctrine.

[kjw47]

It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.

It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No

lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.

The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.

I love watching you flop around like a fish out of water.

You contradicted your own self with your own words.

So which one now is God, the King of Kings the Lord of Lords?
The God of the old testament or the God of the new testament?

lol

lol

lol

God gave Jesus those titles. But Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself- sometime after the 1000 year reign. 1Cor 15:24-28-- God of the OT gave his son all authority on earth and in heaven. But that ends at 1Cor 15:24-28-

The verses you quoted do not prove this you have stated. If you think different
then lay out how these verses prove any of this you have stated.

Quoting random verses from the bible is not proof of anything,
except you can quote random verses from the bible.

Now you know if you try to attempt this I will easily destroy
your effort with the truth as I have done over and over and over
without fail. All you are doing is flip flopping from one side to the other
to which makes you look as I am presenting you.
A false doctrine.

only in your imagination.

I have noticed you never prove anything. Not even with the bible.
You are another one who is not here to debate. You are here for
the JW's to get people to get into your false doctrine.

Only one in darkness calls it false doctrine. I have studied religions, true God worship history and the teachings of Jesus carefully -- the latter 2 prove 100% the JW,s are correct. 0 doubt in all creation. There isnt any thing else left to prove who is who. So If Jesus teachings back the JW,s , those teachings do not back the rest. I attended different trinity religions in my day--100% positive, those teachersare paid toteach a certain brand of dogma and teach little of what Jesus actually teaches. That explains why you dont know what he taught and thus remain in the darkness.

[OneWay]

It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No

lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.

The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.

I love watching you flop around like a fish out of water.

You contradicted your own self with your own words.

So which one now is God, the King of Kings the Lord of Lords?
The God of the old testament or the God of the new testament?

lol

lol

lol

God gave Jesus those titles. But Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself- sometime after the 1000 year reign. 1Cor 15:24-28-- God of the OT gave his son all authority on earth and in heaven. But that ends at 1Cor 15:24-28-

The verses you quoted do not prove this you have stated. If you think different
then lay out how these verses prove any of this you have stated.

Quoting random verses from the bible is not proof of anything,
except you can quote random verses from the bible.

Now you know if you try to attempt this I will easily destroy
your effort with the truth as I have done over and over and over
without fail. All you are doing is flip flopping from one side to the other
to which makes you look as I am presenting you.
A false doctrine.

only in your imagination.

I have noticed you never prove anything. Not even with the bible.
You are another one who is not here to debate. You are here for
the JW's to get people to get into your false doctrine.

Only one in darkness calls it false doctrine. I have studied religions, true God worship history and the teachings of Jesus carefully -- the latter 2 prove 100% the JW,s are correct. 0 doubt in all creation. There isnt any thing else left to prove who is who. So If Jesus teachings back the JW,s , those teachings do not back the rest. I attended different trinity religions in my day--100% positive, those teachersare paid toteach a certain brand of dogma and teach little of what Jesus actually teaches. That explains why you dont know what he taught and thus remain in the darkness.

So how many times have you cried to the moderator on me?

[otseng]

You are not here to debate,
you are here to preach and persuade the readers
to believe your false doctrine.
WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF THE FORUM.
That is why you are always crying

RULES OF THE FORUM.

You can't win a debate with me.

So you cry

rules of the forum.[/b]

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