The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally

[Diogenes]

The proposition for debate is that when one takes the tales of Genesis literally, one becomes intellectually disabled, at least temporarily. Taking Genesis literally requires one to reject biology (which includes evolution) and other sciences in favor of 'magic.' Geology and radiometric dating have to be rejected since the Earth formed only about 6000 years ago, during the same week the Earth was made (in a single day).

Much of the debate in the topic of Science and Religion consists of theists who insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis rejecting basic science. Most of the resulting debates are not worth engaging in.

[otseng]

The issue is your attempt to doubt all things for no sane reason and pretend you know that to be truth!

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[DrNoGods]

[Replying to dad1 in post #717]

God has an angel we are told who is in charge of climate! The angel is in charge of all the winds.

An angel is in charge of winds? That's interesting since we know exactly what causes winds (pressure differentials set up by various mechanisms in the atmosphere), and there's no evidence or reason to believe anything supernatural is involved. Of course, there's no reason to believe that angels exist at all, but certainly there is no need for some imaginary entity like this to control climate or winds. This is the kind of explanation people came up with prior to science being able to explain phenomena like wind correctly ... no angels are involved.

[dad1]

I've not sworn up and down anything but your inability to put truth to such supernatural claims.

They already have truth and evidence and long term observation. The issue is your attempt to doubt all things for no sane reason and pretend you know that to be truth!

Your comment here does nothing to refute my assertion that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

You cannot deny the truth of the almost universally known spiritual world. Nor can you confirm it. Sad.

Your comment here does nothing to refute my assertion that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

You can't comment on whether such claims are false or true, except by faith and opinion.

[dad1]

An angel is in charge of winds?

At least in the end time there will be. So yes angels have power and charge over certain things.

Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The angels in charge of the winds had an angel in charge of them! So it is all very organized.

That's interesting since we know exactly what causes winds (pressure differentials set up by various mechanisms in the atmosphere), and there's no evidence or reason to believe anything supernatural is involved.

In the normal course of events nature has a set way to work. However, when an angel sent by God needs to affect that, it can. What causes the wind on earth? The main cause is uneven heating from the sun, and the earth is heated, apparently by the radiation that arrives on earth from the sun and of which some is retained and some is radiated back into space. It is a fine balance that depends on several key factors. If an angel changed the right things, gases, radiation that could reach and/or be retained by earth, or etc etc, that affects winds on the planet! In that end time a lot is happening that could affect this. Things like a conduit to the inner earth opening and allowing smoke and all sorts of things (like creatures and demons as well) to rise up. There is also something that will destroy a third of all plant life on earth, and greatly change the oceans so that fish die. Etc. In case there is any doubt that the sun is involved in a way never before observed in history, the bible removes all doubt.

Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

All the key elements that affect wind will be in play. Thankfully God has angels watching over this so the world and people will survive!

Of course, there's no reason to believe that angels exist at all

For who? Do not most people believe in them? There is no reason not to. There is every reason to believe since God says they existed and men have seen them over history...like Daniel and the apostles and prophets etc. Lots of reasons to believe NO reason not to.

, but certainly there is no need for some imaginary entity like this to control climate or winds.

The sun will be affected. As mentioned so will a lot else on the planet. People better believe at that time God has angels overseeing these things! It is not all some random event.

[JoeyKnothead]

You can't comment on whether such claims are false or true, except by faith and opinion.

Your comment here does nothing to refute my assertion that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to dad1 in post #724]

Things like a conduit to the inner earth opening and allowing smoke and all sorts of things (like creatures and demons as well) to rise up ... the bible removes all doubt.

Solid science stuff there. Do these conduits have anything to do with the windows to heaven or wormhole-like paths to beyond the observable universe that transport water? Do you seriously believe this kind of nonsense? It is no less wild than stories like Noah's flood and the creation story I suppose, but does provide yet another example of how much pure fiction is in the bible. What kinds of creatures are able to live in the "inner earth" (whatever that even means in bible-speak). Just curious, or does the bible not specify how a living creature could survive pressures and temperatures that liquify rock?

[dad1]

You can't comment on whether such claims are false or true, except by faith and opinion.

Your comment here does nothing to refute my assertion that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

You have no way to know supernatural. You are guessing based on squat. (and doing so in the face or overwhelming evidence from all places and all ages)

[JoeyKnothead]

You can't comment on whether such claims are false or true, except by faith and opinion.

Your comment here does nothing to refute my assertion that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

You have no way to know supernatural. You are guessing based on squat. (and doing so in the face or overwhelming evidence from all places and all ages)

I'm not guessing when I assert that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

I present this thread as evidence for that assertion.

[dad1]

You can't comment on whether such claims are false or true, except by faith and opinion.

Your comment here does nothing to refute my assertion that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

You have no way to know supernatural. You are guessing based on squat. (and doing so in the face or overwhelming evidence from all places and all ages)

I'm not guessing when I assert that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

I present this thread as evidence for that assertion.

I am not here to re certify the reality of the spiritual. That is a given. A known factor. Your doubts have zero basis in evidence and directly oppose the world of evidence we do have. Sorry. Gong!

[JoeyKnothead]

You can't comment on whether such claims are false or true, except by faith and opinion.

Your comment here does nothing to refute my assertion that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

You have no way to know supernatural. You are guessing based on squat. (and doing so in the face or overwhelming evidence from all places and all ages)

I'm not guessing when I assert that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.

I present this thread as evidence for that assertion.

I am not here to re certify the reality of the spiritual. That is a given. A known factor. Your doubts have zero basis in evidence and directly oppose the world of evidence we do have. Sorry. Gong!

Your comment here does nothing to refute my assertion that you can't put truth to supernatural claims.