Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?

[POI]

Below is a 20 minute video. For the ones who opt not to watch, I'll start with the following question? (Which may then lead to many others, as this is a fairly new concept of thought for me)....

Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering? Before you Christians answer, I trust you are already aware of this guy's counter points?

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #421]

Umm, huh?

Continuing to follow along your rationale. Animals prepare, by learning tricks, so they will be ready for the afterlife, with humans.

No. I gave a clear example of how in one way animals learn and grow. So they could learn and grow in other ways also, such as growing into a being that is peaceful and never violent, so that they are worthy of the new world.

Is this what the Bible says, or are you just imagining stuff again?

Not all doctrines are stated directly in the bible, such as limbo. Some are deduced from other things said in the bible, such as animals will be in the world to come and they will be peaceful and not violent, from Isaiah and I believe Jeremiah also.

And for that, they must suffer first. Got it.

[Tcg]

So they could learn and grow in other ways also, such as growing into a being that is peaceful and never violent, so that they are worthy of the new world.

Right. And they'll learn it from the guy who reportedly said this:

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

Or perhaps from his reported father who is reportedly responsible for these genocides:

Deuteronomy 20:16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Or the dude who reportedly wrote this whoever he was:

Revelation 14:19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

Yep, what peace loving examples the bible provides for us and them. "Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya..." Let's sing it together!


Tcg

[kjw47]

They dont know when the dinosaurs were here exactly. The bible doesn't mention them on earth while mankind was here.

Do you deny paleontology? Dinosaurs ate other dinosaurs, and went extinct well before humans came onto the scene. (http://www.nature.com/articles/news030331-7). So your faith based assertion, that all species were veges, prior to the fall, is wrong.

I was referring to the animals on earth when mortals were here, until after the flood they all ate vegetation.

So the dinosaurs ate each other then? Why would they do this before the fall?

I dont know what dinosaurs ate. i never saw one or met one.

[kjw47]

Satan is doomed for destruction.

This highlights some more absurdities. Why was Satan allowed free rein to seduce God's beloved children in his own garden? The consequences have been enormous and totally preventable. After Satan brought about the fall, the serpent was punished, but Satan got to go on wreaking havoc. This is madness. It's like catching a serial rapist, punishing the victim, then allowing the rapist to continue his spree with the promise that he well get his punishment one day. No sane person would be expected to do that let alone an omnibenevolent deity.

Satan was an angel, he obeyed, But then got jealous and wanted worship, he rebelled and lied to Eve to get them to rebel, 1/3 of the angels fell later.

How on earth does your response address anything I said? Care to try again?

You asked why the angel being roamed free on earth. He didnt become satan and devil until he rebelled. He was in good standing until then.

[JoeyKnothead]

I dont know what dinosaurs ate. i never saw one or met one.

So you've seen God? You've met God?

One must wonder how you can declare to know God's properties.

[kjw47]

I dont know what dinosaurs ate. i never saw one or met one.

So you've seen God? You've met God?

One must wonder how you can declare to know God's properties.

God draws close to those who draw close to him.

[JoeyKnothead]

I dont know what dinosaurs ate. i never saw one or met one.

So you've seen God? You've met God?

One must wonder how you can declare to know God's properties.

God draws close to those who draw close to him.

So, you've seen God?

You've met God?

Why should anyone trust your claim?

[kjw47]

I dont know what dinosaurs ate. i never saw one or met one.

So you've seen God? You've met God?

One must wonder how you can declare to know God's properties.

God draws close to those who draw close to him.

So, you've seen God?

You've met God?

Why should anyone trust your claim?

No, but he has answered my prayers. One can see that occurring.

[brunumb]

[Replying to POI in post #421]

Umm, huh?

Continuing to follow along your rationale. Animals prepare, by learning tricks, so they will be ready for the afterlife, with humans.

No. I gave a clear example of how in one way animals learn and grow. So they could learn and grow in other ways also, such as growing into a being that is peaceful and never violent, so that they are worthy of the new world.

Is this what the Bible says, or are you just imagining stuff again?

Not all doctrines are stated directly in the bible, such as limbo. Some are deduced from other things said in the bible, such as animals will be in the world to come and they will be peaceful and not violent, from Isaiah and I believe Jeremiah also.

All just part of the process of making up stuff about other made up stuff.

[brunumb]

You asked why the angel being roamed free on earth. He didnt become satan and devil until he rebelled. He was in good standing until then.

Are you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?

Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.