Below is a 20 minute video. For the ones who opt not to watch, I'll start with the following question? (Which may then lead to many others, as this is a fairly new concept of thought for me)....
Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering? Before you Christians answer, I trust you are already aware of this guy's counter points?
Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?
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Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?
Post #1In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #451Do you have anything substantial to back up that claim?
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
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Post #452Zebras are made of zucchini?
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Post #453The bible doesnt say.
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Post #454JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:35 pmHaving admitted you never met God, how might we confirm you speak truth in this new claim of yours?
It's downright goofy how so many theists on this site think that just presenting pile upon steaming pile of claim upon claim upon claim is somehow presenting evidence for any of it.
Promises found in Gods inspired word=the bible.
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Post #455brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:01 pmGenesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:54 pmbrunumb wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:39 pmAre you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?
Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.
How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.
God appointed that angel over the Garden. Genesis 3:15 proves it was about the devil. The devil bruised Jesus in the heel, Jesus bruised him in the head.
Where does it say God appointed the angel (who became Satan) over the garden? Also, not seeing Jesus or Satan in that passage. Care to explain?
Every scholar knows it is that way. The women refers to Gods kingdom. Jesus is appointed king of that kingdom.
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Post #457Oh, I get it now. Make up stuff about the other made up stuff. If it's not in the original text, just spin something out and pretend that's what the original meant. Be sure to attribute whatever it is to the 'scholars'. You can get the Bible to say just about anything you want if you try hard enough.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:18 pmbrunumb wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:01 pmGenesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:54 pmbrunumb wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:39 pmAre you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?
Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.
How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.
God appointed that angel over the Garden. Genesis 3:15 proves it was about the devil. The devil bruised Jesus in the heel, Jesus bruised him in the head.
Where does it say God appointed the angel (who became Satan) over the garden? Also, not seeing Jesus or Satan in that passage. Care to explain?
Every scholar knows it is that way. The women refers to Gods kingdom. Jesus is appointed king of that kingdom.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
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Post #458That says nothing about what occurred on the ark. That said, animals have have digestive systems which do not permit them to just eat anything. Before or after the alleged flood is irrelevant. The Bible is patently wrong, because the people who wrote it were completely ignorant of how life functions or how the world really works.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
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Post #459Where have you established the Bible to be a god's words, as opposed to the words of humans?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:16 pmJoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:35 pmHaving admitted you never met God, how might we confirm you speak truth in this new claim of yours?
It's downright goofy how so many theists on this site think that just presenting pile upon steaming pile of claim upon claim upon claim is somehow presenting evidence for any of it.
Promises found in Gods inspired word=the bible.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Post #460Okay? But we now agree suffering happened before the "fall of man". This makes no sense. Why would God allow suffering here?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:16 pm
The bible doesnt say.
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."