Questions about Jesus and JW’s

[MissKate13]

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.

When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?

I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.

MissKate13

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #59]
If you’re speaking about English translations, I agree.

Whether you care to end discussion is up to you, but please note, the original languages of Scripture do not distinguish between God and god, because capital and lower case letters aren’t used. I believe we need to look at the actual Hebrew or Greek words in their context to truly know what is being said.

Sure if you have been trained to translate the languages. But if one is a novice just making up whatever so that it fits one's dogma, this is a wrong.
So do you have a scholarly reason why the Gs shouldn't be the way they are or is it just making up whatever you want to fit your dogma?

"The original languages of Scripture do not distinguish between God and god."
This not true. Context does the distinguishing. Capping the Gs just makes it easier to distinguish in the English language. https://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/god

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #61]

I’m no Hebrew or Greek language expert. I use interlinears and lexicons to help me. I read and study a lot. I also pray a lot for understanding.

Have a blessed evening.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #61]

I’m no Hebrew or Greek language expert. I use interlinears and lexicons to help me. I read and study a lot. I also pray a lot for understanding.

Have a blessed evening.

So you agree, those that translate Bibles with higher understanding that use God and god are more knowledgeable than you or me? Or are you greater and smarter than them?

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #63]
I wrote in another post that I am no Hebrew or Greek language expert. However, in the case of some translations, we see bias. Wouldn’t you agree?

Nearly all translations that I am aware of, translate God both times in John 1:1 with capital G. The only translation which does not is the NWT. Are/were the men who translated the NWT smarter than all the men who translated the KJV, ASV, etc?

I think the best any of us can do is study the Scriptures for ourselves using the tools available (interlinears, lexicons, dictionaries). I believe that our God is very pleased when we do. He wants us to study for ourselves and not be lead by the blind lest we both fall into the pit. (Matthew 15:14)

[JehovahsWitness]

I think the best any of us can do is study the Scriptures for ourselves using the tools available (interlinears, lexicons, dictionaries). I believe that our God is very pleased when we do. He wants us to study for ourselves and not be lead by the blind lest we both fall into the pit. (Matthew 15:14)

Speaking of which, I notice you made no comment on my post #3 on that very point

INTERLINEARS/LEXICONS & DICTIONARIES (TRINITARIAN SCHOLARS )

W. E. Vine John 1:1c is literally translated " ... a god was the Word" .- p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Thomas Nelson, Inc., 1983 printing.

C. H. Dod , director of the New English Bible project, : "A possible translation [for John 1:1c] ... would be, The Word was a god. As a word-for-word translation it cannot be faulted" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, vol. 28, Jan. 1977.

Prof. Murray J. Harris also admits that grammatically John 1:1c may be properly translated, "the Word was a god" - p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992.

Dr. Robert Young admits that a more literal translation of John 1:1cp. is and a god (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word - 54, (New Covenant section), Young' s Concise Critical Bible Commentary, Baker Book House, 1977 printing.

Dr. William Barclay: "You could translate [John 1:1c], so far as the Greek goes: the Word was a God ... - Ever yours, p. 205, edited by C. L. Rawlins, Labarum Publ., 1985

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[kjw47]

The being sent to earth by THE ONLY TRUE GOD( Father) is the one whom God created all other things through= Gods master worker Prov 8:30--He tells all he was created in Prov 8:22-25) 100% for sure Jesus was the one by Gods side during the creation process. He wasnt named Jesus in the OT, and Was not God in Prov 8--The Master worker gives all credit to God at Prov 8 for the creation process. Coll 1:15 Jesus is the firstborn of all creation-All creation occurred at the beginning. Is exactly what Coll 1:15 is speaking about. So who did THE ONLY TRUE GOD( John 17:3) send? And was named Jesus as a mortal? answer--God sent his very best, the archangel Michael. Bible evidence shows that to be a true fact. Even Jesus own words at John 17:3 proves 100% THE ONLY TRUE GOD did not come to earth, he sent another.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #63]
I don’t know who your NWT translators were, so I can’t comment about their “higher learning.” Do you know who they were? Can you post their credentials? Please share with me their names so I can research them. It is my understanding that the NWT translators were all JW’s. That’s a cause for concern.

I’ve never claimed to be smarter than anyone. I’m not sure how many more times I’d need to say it. I AM NO HEBREW OR GREEK LANGUAGE EXPERT. However, I can read, and I can use the many tools available.

You did not answer my question. Do you believe English translations of the Bible are biased?

[MissKate13]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #65]
The only two I recognize is Vine and Barclay. I would need to see their full quotes and not excerpts. I am unfamiliar with the other three.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #66]

Proverbs 8 is about wisdom personified.

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #66]

Proverbs 8 is about wisdom personified.

As well as Gods master worker. Jesus became wisdom for us- 1Cor 1:30