Was Pope Benedict XVI a Nazi sympathizer?

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Was Pope Benedict XVI a Nazi sympathizer?

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In the thread How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant?, a reference was made to Pope Benedict XVI and Diogenes replied...
Diogenes wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:26 pm As to Pope Ratzinger, whose allegiance was to Nazi Germany until 1945,
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Not being Catholic, I've never heard about this.

Some more info on Pope Benedict XVI:
Pope Benedict XVI (Latin: Benedictus XVI; Italian: Benedetto XVI; German: Benedikt XVI; born Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger; 16 April 1927 31 December 2022) was the head of the Catholic Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State from 19 April 2005 until his resignation on 28 February 2013. Benedict's election as pope occurred in the 2005 papal conclave that followed the death of Pope John Paul II. Benedict chose to be known as "Pope emeritus" upon his resignation, and he retained this title until his death in December 2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI

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Was Pope Benedict XVI a Nazi sympathizer?
Should Ratzinger as a member of the Nazi party in his youth disqualify him to have been the Pope?

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Re: Was Pope Benedict XVI a Nazi sympathizer?

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Yes, I knew of this, I dont blame the youth of the time; they were probably no less victims of nationalist propaganda than those of other nations. As the true colours of the Nazi came to light the measure of the man would be the stand he took as an adult.
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Re: Was Pope Benedict XVI a Nazi sympathizer?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:14 pm Yes, I knew of this, I dont blame the youth of the time; they were probably no less victims of nationalist propaganda than those of other nations. As the true colours of the Nazi came to light the measure of the man would be the stand he took as an adult.
From my quick calculations, in 1945 Ratzinger would have been 18, an age typically regarded as the maximum age of transition from a boy to an adult. Most commonly a boy is judged to be mentally an adult upon reaching the age of 14 or 15. In fact:

"Biologically speaking (mentally and physically), a boy usually becomes a man at the age of 1415, and is usually a fully physically developed man at the age of 18."
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That said, it could well be the case that Ratzinger hated Nazism and having to serve in its army.

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Re: Was Pope Benedict XVI a Nazi sympathizer?

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As Miles said before me, not necessarily. I don't think people have to own what school they went to for elementary, either. Because they were put in it.

If you're going to say, well, he lived in Nazi Germany and must have absorbed the propaganda, because that is an impressionable age, then I fail to see how he is directly to blame and maybe pick somebody else as pope.

If however, it is not necessary that he absorbed those views, then if he says he doesn't hold them, he doesn't, and not giving people the benefit of the doubt is like putting somebody in jail for thought crime without even the benefit of a telepath who can at least confirm that they really think that.



...An equally good question is why there are popes in recent history old enough to have been real Nazis (or at least Hitler Youth).

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[Replying to Miles in post #3
"Biologically speaking (mentally and physically), a boy usually becomes a man at the age of 1415, and is usually a fully physically developed man at the age of 18."
"Researchers found that certain cognitive abilities reach adult levels by the age of 16, while emotional maturity isnt attained till after 22."

https://news.uci.edu/2009/10/12/studyin ... urity-gap/

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Anyone, even someone who would become the Pope, would've had impossible decisions to make while growing up under the Nazi government. And who knew what would happen if you did not go along with what the Nazi party ordered to do, including joining the Hitler Youth.
NARRATOR: On the April 19, 2005, white smoke rises above the roofs of Rome. A new pope has been elected. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger becomes Pope Benedikt XVI. For the first time in centuries, a German takes the reigns of the Catholic Church. This, too, makes headlines. English newspaper The Sun runs the story From Hitler Youth to Papa Ratzi.'

BRUCE JOHNSTON: "It is obviously a shot across him in his bows, its a provocative statement."

NARRATOR: Joseph Ratzinger had been a member of the Hitler Youth and, by the end of the war, a soldier.

ADREAS ENGLISCH: "He is Christs representative on Earth, and it seemed unbelievable to the international community that he was to come from Germany, a country that started two wars in the last century."

NARRATOR: The Popes life story stirs international interest. In 1927, Ratzinger is born into a Catholic family critical of Hitler in the Bavarian town of Marktl am Inn. Hitler seeks to substitute religion with National Socialism. The Nazi state targets the Christian youth to win them for their cause. As a 12-year-old Ratzinger joins the Catholic boys seminary in Traunstein.

JOSEF STADLER: "In the seminary we were told one day that we would have to join the Hitler Youth. But nobody at the seminary joined voluntarily."

NARRATOR: During the war, the Hitler Youth is put to work in air defense. Joseph Ratzinger is assigned to track bombers and later as a telephonist, but never as a gunner.

WILHELM GEIELBRECHT: "He wasn't really interested in the military. He was glad when he was reassigned from flak duty. They left him alone, because they knew exactly what he wanted to be later on and that was accepted."

NARRATOR: Joseph Ratzinger wants to enter the priesthood, but the war is far from over. He has to guard forced laborers as they dig trenches. The young guards are equipped with rifles, but no live ammunition. Like many boys his age, the 17-year-old is courted by the Waffen-SS. But as a candidate for the priesthood, he is largely left alone. Shortly before the end of the war, Joseph Ratzinger officially becomes a soldier in Traunstein. But when U.S. troops approach the town, hes unwilling to fight.

PETER SEEWALD: "Joseph Ratzinger withdrew from active service during the time in Traunstein. He said himself 'The day came when I decided to withdraw from service and return home.' That was, of course, quite dangerous."

NARRATOR: He is lucky not to be spotted during an inspection. At the end of the war, the young Ratzinger only spends a short time in captivity and is released in July 1945.

GEROG RATZINGER: "The joy was complete, since the family had managed to survive the war, while so many others we knew had lost someone in the field. We were all very thankful that we all managed to come home again."

NARRATOR: Summer 2005, 50 years after the war, Joseph Ratzinger returns to his homeland as Pope.
https://www.britannica.com/video/180295 ... ent-Hitler

So, to answer my questions:

No, Ratzinger was not a Nazi sympathizer since he did not voluntarily join the Hitler Youth.

No, being a member of the Nazi party in his youth should not disqualify him, esp since practically he had no choice in the matter.

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