Is God evil?

[Compassionist]

There are many verses in the Bible about God's predestination. https://www.openbible.info/topics/predestination Why would a good God predestine anyone to do evil? Surely, a good God would predestine all to do good? Does the existence of evil prove that God is evil? Surely, a good God would have made all living things to be autotrophs instead of making some autotrophs, some herbivores, some carnivores, some omnivores, and some parasites? Here are some examples of evil events which caused or are causing suffering, deaths, and injustices:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll
https://thevegancalculator.com/animal-slaughter

[Compassionist]

I merely plant seeds. God waters the seeds in good hearts.

Implies those who reject your unfounded claims have less than honorable intent.

As it exposes you to em thinking it's you that suffers the condition.

The majority of mortals have a form of love. Those in Noahs day did as well. It was unacceptable to Gods view. Even Hitler loved his family and friends. The new covenant Jesus brought says that same love must be given to ones enemies as well. Not such an easy accomplishment since pride gets in the way of most who have premeditated return evil for evil in their hearts.

The heart is a pump. Our thoughts take place in our brains. Do you propose that we should all follow the Bible and love our enemies and repay evil with good? That is a terrible idea. What if murderers, rapists, torturers, and robbers team up and carry out these atrocities worldwide? Do we just lie down so that they can carry out murders, rapes, tortures, and robberies without opposition? Absolutely not. Rule of law must prevail. This means deploying the police to arrest the criminals and prosecute them.

I didnt say law must stop. But the bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Romans 12:17--Yes love is to be returned. That is the love of the new covenant. Vengeance is mine said the Lord.

I am glad you agree that the Rule of Law must not stop. How can you have the Rule of Law unless we stop evil actions? I am aware of all the verses in the Bible. Do you not see the problems with repaying evil with good? I have two problems with the Bible: 1. It is false. 2. It is unethical. Please see https://www.evilbible.com and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com Thank you.

[Thomas123]

Thou shalt not Kill!

"The biblical refrain for those justly executed as due punishment for crimes is that "their blood will be on their own heads.""

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_sh ... nsequences.

I have had this conversation,...many times.
If we idolized the, 'turn the other cheek', forbearance of the Jesus of the NT,then we are being extremely selective with the narrative. This same,'table tosser' was being 'lippy' with Pilate ,right up to the end.

Yes ,negotiate with your enemy, de-escalate before confrontation, where possible,..but when all this fails(as it will).......sort him out.

That is the attitude that the Mosaic Laws of Exodus, attempted to promote, and that was what the Jesus guy understood as generally, the norm

The real Jesus ,concerned himself with the plight of ,victims of the Law, and implementation of the Law using indiscriminate violence and punishment (ie stoning of woman), but he was not ' non violent' imho. eg

Matthew 18:6
"If anyone causes one of these little ones those who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were drowned in the depths of the sea."

Not a pleasant way to go!

Thanks

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #220

If we were to follow the Bible which says to repay evil with good, we can't kill snakes to protect children from being killed by the snakes. If the Allied Forces did not kill the Nazis, the Nazis would have killed a lot more people and would be ruling the world now. The Bible's command is wrong. It is necessary to repay evil with evil in order to stop evil actions. If the Ukrainians were to follow the Bible's command to repay evil with good, they should be giving the Russians all the land and resources in Ukraine in order to repay evil with good and the West should also be giving all land and resources to the Russians instead of giving weapons to the Ukrainians. Do you not see the problems with repaying evil with good?

I'm not so much arguing for the position of the Bible. Evil lies more in the intent than in the action; there's a difference between "returning evil for evil" and stopping evil with force.

[Compassionist]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #220

If we were to follow the Bible which says to repay evil with good, we can't kill snakes to protect children from being killed by the snakes. If the Allied Forces did not kill the Nazis, the Nazis would have killed a lot more people and would be ruling the world now. The Bible's command is wrong. It is necessary to repay evil with evil in order to stop evil actions. If the Ukrainians were to follow the Bible's command to repay evil with good, they should be giving the Russians all the land and resources in Ukraine in order to repay evil with good and the West should also be giving all land and resources to the Russians instead of giving weapons to the Ukrainians. Do you not see the problems with repaying evil with good?

I'm not so much arguing for the position of the Bible. Evil lies more in the intent than in the action; there's a difference between "returning evil for evil" and stopping evil with force.

I am more concerned with the action rather than the intent. For example, humans slaughter sentient organisms every second for food. The people who consume animal products may not have malevolent intent towards the animals but they pay for the killing of the animals so that they can consume them. If it were up to me, all living things would be autotrophs and be forever happy. Sadly, it is not up to me.

[kjw47]

I didnt say law must stop. But the bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Romans 12:17--Yes love is to be returned. That is the love of the new covenant. Vengeance is mine said the Lord.

Are you under the mistaken impression that the bible is considered authoritative in this sub-forum? If so, I'd suggest you read the Guidelines of the C&A subforum found here: viewtopic.php?p=213491#p213491.


Tcg

Gods word is always the final word.

[kjw47]

I merely plant seeds. God waters the seeds in good hearts.

Implies those who reject your unfounded claims have less than honorable intent.

As it exposes you to em thinking it's you that suffers the condition.

The majority of mortals have a form of love. Those in Noahs day did as well. It was unacceptable to Gods view. Even Hitler loved his family and friends. The new covenant Jesus brought says that same love must be given to ones enemies as well. Not such an easy accomplishment since pride gets in the way of most who have premeditated return evil for evil in their hearts.

The heart is a pump. Our thoughts take place in our brains. Do you propose that we should all follow the Bible and love our enemies and repay evil with good? That is a terrible idea. What if murderers, rapists, torturers, and robbers team up and carry out these atrocities worldwide? Do we just lie down so that they can carry out murders, rapes, tortures, and robberies without opposition? Absolutely not. Rule of law must prevail. This means deploying the police to arrest the criminals and prosecute them.

I didnt say law must stop. But the bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Romans 12:17--Yes love is to be returned. That is the love of the new covenant. Vengeance is mine said the Lord.

I am glad you agree that the Rule of Law must not stop. How can you have the Rule of Law unless we stop evil actions? I am aware of all the verses in the Bible. Do you not see the problems with repaying evil with good? I have two problems with the Bible: 1. It is false. 2. It is unethical. Please see https://www.evilbible.com and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com Thank you.

The bible isnt false. The new covenant Jesus brought is LOVE. One does not return evil for evil if they have love over pride of self. Those who return evil for evil are telling Jesus NO-- Vengeance is mine said the Lord. Because they lack the Love of the new covenant.

[Compassionist]

I didnt say law must stop. But the bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Romans 12:17--Yes love is to be returned. That is the love of the new covenant. Vengeance is mine said the Lord.

Are you under the mistaken impression that the bible is considered authoritative in this sub-forum? If so, I'd suggest you read the Guidelines of the C&A subforum found here: viewtopic.php?p=213491#p213491.


Tcg

Gods word is always the final word.

Please prove that God exists then please prove that the Bible is God's Words.

[Compassionist]

I merely plant seeds. God waters the seeds in good hearts.

Implies those who reject your unfounded claims have less than honorable intent.

As it exposes you to em thinking it's you that suffers the condition.

The majority of mortals have a form of love. Those in Noahs day did as well. It was unacceptable to Gods view. Even Hitler loved his family and friends. The new covenant Jesus brought says that same love must be given to ones enemies as well. Not such an easy accomplishment since pride gets in the way of most who have premeditated return evil for evil in their hearts.

The heart is a pump. Our thoughts take place in our brains. Do you propose that we should all follow the Bible and love our enemies and repay evil with good? That is a terrible idea. What if murderers, rapists, torturers, and robbers team up and carry out these atrocities worldwide? Do we just lie down so that they can carry out murders, rapes, tortures, and robberies without opposition? Absolutely not. Rule of law must prevail. This means deploying the police to arrest the criminals and prosecute them.

I didnt say law must stop. But the bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Romans 12:17--Yes love is to be returned. That is the love of the new covenant. Vengeance is mine said the Lord.

I am glad you agree that the Rule of Law must not stop. How can you have the Rule of Law unless we stop evil actions? I am aware of all the verses in the Bible. Do you not see the problems with repaying evil with good? I have two problems with the Bible: 1. It is false. 2. It is unethical. Please see https://www.evilbible.com and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com Thank you.

The bible isnt false. The new covenant Jesus brought is LOVE. One does not return evil for evil if they have love over pride of self. Those who return evil for evil are telling Jesus NO-- Vengeance is mine said the Lord. Because they lack the Love of the new covenant.

Please prove that the Bible is true.

[TRANSPONDER]

I didnt say law must stop. But the bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Romans 12:17--Yes love is to be returned. That is the love of the new covenant. Vengeance is mine said the Lord.

Are you under the mistaken impression that the bible is considered authoritative in this sub-forum? If so, I'd suggest you read the Guidelines of the C&A subforum found here: viewtopic.php?p=213491#p213491.


Tcg

Gods word is always the final word.

Please prove that God exists then please prove that the Bible is God's Words.

I am moved to agree that faithclaims about the Bible as God's Authoritative Word has to be validated with the Bible shown to be more than the writings of mere mortals before the claims can be accepted.

[Compassionist]

I didnt say law must stop. But the bible is clear--Return evil for evil to no one. Romans 12:17--Yes love is to be returned. That is the love of the new covenant. Vengeance is mine said the Lord.

Are you under the mistaken impression that the bible is considered authoritative in this sub-forum? If so, I'd suggest you read the Guidelines of the C&A subforum found here: viewtopic.php?p=213491#p213491.


Tcg

Gods word is always the final word.

Please prove that God exists then please prove that the Bible is God's Words.

I am moved to agree that faithclaims about the Bible as God's Authoritative Word has to be validated with the Bible shown to be more than the writings of mere mortals before the claims can be accepted.

If the Bible is true, then God is real and evil. If the Bible is false, then God is imaginary and evil. Please see https://www.evilbible.com

When I was a Christian, I used to believe that the Bible is true and God is real and good but that was before I had read the whole Bible. At that time, I had read only cherry-picked verses about God's Love e.g. "We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them." - 1 John 4:16, The Bible (New Living Translation) and "For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16, The Bible (New Living Translation).